---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote:
Point of Order Madame Speaker! Point of order Steve. Would not unflinching honesty require you to acknowledge the fact that Bawwy is the biggest bestest lying, make-things-up-to-cause-shit jerk-off on this here forum? Absolutely it does and the fact that you give him a free pass pretty much puts your credibility in the dumpster. Think about it. I don't care if you say this is only a "chat" room, it is still an indicator (because of what you put out here) of your basic standards for conducting your life. If you think it doesn't, you're lying to yourself now. Would not unflinching honesty require a response to what appears to be a breach of this assertion, without conditions!!? Seems a contradiction, otherwise, to this lay person. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote: I'll tell you why I wrote what I did, Bar, once you've posted the following: __________________ Barry's Confession 1. I lied when I said I never read Judy's posts. 2. Judy has never lied about me (or anybody else), but I've told hundreds of lies about her (and Ann and Robin and others I don't like). 3. I have NO IDEA whether Judy has ever met Robin, and I should not have declared she hasn't as if it were established fact. I humbly apologize to Judy for all the above. _____________________________________ Clear all this foul air, and then we'll talk, you lying hypocritical scumbag. BTW, regarding the double quotes, Bhairitu was the one who said "just kidding" and "wound up" when he described his imaginary Starbuck's FFL get-together, and I addressed my question to him (see below). "Expert" was quoting your disdainful characterization of me as the "expert" on Robin. So those double quotes were perfectly appropriate, and you're the hypocrite to object. Just for fun, as part of my ongoing "one post in the morning challenging Judy's projected image will keep her crazy all day long" campaign :-), let's see who here is sharp enough to catch a LIE in one of Judy Stein's own posts recently. Here's the first example (full context below): > Remember what Barry said about his therapist telling him that the person > suffering from NPD "makes it up as they go along"? Does anyone see the LIE? Hint: it's two words -- "his therapist." Anyone who has been following my posts knows that the psychiatrist whom I cited as my mentor about Narcissistic Personality Disorder was my *friend*, not my "therapist." Anyone who has paid attention for some time also knows that our "sessions" were conducted over coffee at Downtown Subscription, our mutually favorite coffee shop in Santa Fe, not in a therapist's office. Anyone with a longer memory will remember me posting that I have only seen a real therapist once in my life, back when I was 16 or 17, and my parents forced me to see him. ( That was a fun story in itself, because the guy was an asshole who was actually served with a malpractice lawsuit while I was waiting in his office to see him, and then acted like such an asshole in our session that I unloaded on him, told him exactly what I thought of him, and who afterwards as a result refused to ever see me again. That was the full extent of my personal involvement with shrinks, from a patient POV. :-) Yes, this is a little nitpick, but I think everyone here knows that this was intentional on Judy's part. She, after all, is the one who comes roaring in screaming about how someone is LYING when they misquote something she's said or describe her in some way that varies in any degree from the way she describes herself. I don't think she left out the word "friend" in her sentence by accident. She did it intentionally, to try to create the impression that Barry was "seeing a therapist" to deal with his issues about Rama, MMY, and other NPD-afflicted spiritual teachers. And if she claims that it *was* unintentional or an accident, I think anyone here (plus her clients) should be wary of ever hiring her as an "editor." There is a world of difference between "his therapist" and "his therapist friend," and Judy was IMO *intentionally* trying to use the phrase she thought would demonize her obsession Barry the most. This is just one example of the type of LIEs that Judy Stein specializes in -- intentional putdowns and mischaracterizations that she can later deny or hypocritically "explain away.". Take another recent example, when I pulled her own nitpick number on her and chided her for claiming I had used the phrase "a 12,000 word rant" w.r.t. Robin when I hadn't. Called on this, she made excuses and *admitted* to conflating several different descriptions and making up the phrase, and then tried to imply it was No Big Deal. Ahem. If the Yahoo Search engine still worked properly (alas, I have now also been "Neo-d" myself, so it doesn't work for me any more, either), I and everyone else could easily come up with DOZENS of instances over the years in which Judy Stein went batshit crazy over someone "misattributing" something she'd said by putting it in double quotes. In fact, she is on record here several times as saying that the practice of putting things in double quotes almost by definition implies that the person doing this is quoting the source verbatim. I'm sure that Share and others will remember Judy pulling this on them, and accusing them of lying or worse because something they put in double quotes and attributed to her were slightly off. But somehow when *she* does it, it's OK, and No Big Thing. *Just in this post* she does the same thing several times. Neither Steve nor Xeno used the words "kidding" or "just kidding" or suggested that I had said I was an "expert" on Judy Stein (I haven't). No one used the phrase "wound up." Yet Judy feels no problem with citing them as direct quotes, as if someone actually *had* used those words or phrases. Hypocrite. And LIAR. And I think everyone on this forum pretty much knows it...except Judy herself. Don't fall for her posturing as if she was the most honest person on FFL, or the only person who cares about accuracy or integrity. That's just another way that Judy pushes out her *real* argument, which is (in quotes to indicate dialog, not to indicate that she's actually said it in these words): "If you disagree with me, you are WRONG. If I 'correct' you on it and you persist in saying it, you're LYING." And all the while, the person saying this is one of the biggest LIARS on the forum... From: "authfriend@..." <authfriend@...> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's "The Following" as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy I wonder why Barry assumes I never met Robin. So Bhairitu, you think Barry is "just kidding" with this post? He seems awfully "wound up" to me. There's always tremendous negative energy behind his demonizations of Robin or Ann or me or others he doesn't like. It's as if he was fighting for his very survival, the poor guy. He isn't "kidding," but he might as well be. He styles himself as the "expert" on Judy Stein, but in fact he knows nothing about me other than what I've said on FFL, and he even misrepresents that. Whenever he tries to guess, he gets it wrong. This post of his is no exception. Remember what Barry said about his therapist telling him that the person suffering from NPD "makes it up as they go along"? If that isn't a perfect description of Barry himself, I can't imagine what is. Even Xeno admitted that Barry doesn't care anything about being truthful or accurate, and that's certainly borne out by this post, as well as countless others that preceded it. I think your "arms length" comment kinda says it all, Steve. That's just what "armchair seekers" like Judy DO. They never actually DO anything much to further their own self discovery...they just read about other people's, and then argue about the stuff they think about it. One of the reasons that some of these "armchair seekers" purposefully keep from meeting the teachers they supposedly "study with" is that it's easier to preserve one's cherished fantasies about them if you've never met them. She did this with Maharishi, and she did it with Robin. She can continue to believe all the fantasies she's developed about both of them without fear of contradiction, because she's never exposed herself to the possibility of contradiction. Both of these guys -- or her impressions of them -- are tucked away in an elaborate fantasy cubbyhole in her mind, placed on a pedestal of honor there, and because she never has (or will) encounter the reality of them, she gets to call this fantasy "truth." Anyone who disagrees with the fantasy is a "liar." As has been pointed out here, Judy has arguably the *least* actual "hands on" spiritual experience of anyone on this forum. She's only done one short "rounding course" (which she, of course, considers "long"), she never became a teacher (and thus had to put other people's welfare ahead of her own), and she never met Maharishi. She never even met the Robin guy she claims to be the resident expert on. The only things she "knows" are the fantasies running around in her head. But to her those fantasies are so cherished and she *needs* them so much to keep on keepin' on that any challenge to them is perceived as a challenge to herself, her self, her very being. Challenging her idealized notions of Robin are (from her point of view) like attacking *her*, so of course she has to "take them seriously." If anyone were to believe more objective points of view expressed here about the guy, they'd begin to challenge her posturing as "the expert." And she simply cannot allow that. From: "steve.sundur@..." <steve.sundur@...> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2014 3:00 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: TV's "The Following" as a treatise on NPD and psychopathy Excellent points. For most of us, it is just a chat room. A place to banter about. And so, it is sort of jarring when someone like Judy takes everything so seriously and personally. Like it squeezes most of the fun out of it. Of course you will never convince her of that. She views herself as the staunch upholder of truth and justice, and there is no battle too small for her to fight. Just like what she is going to say in response to this post. The internet age was made for her in some ways as it is easier to be friends with someone, or maintain an alliance when you can remain at arms length. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <anartaxius@...> wrote: Barry does not seem to aspire to the kind of precision you enjoy. He seems mostly to rely on his writing skills and memory when posting on FFL. And we all know human memory is exceptionally pliable. He posts things he is interested in, occasionally replies to people, and there is a certain category of his posting that is designed to keep the rats running on their treadmill, a Pavlovian thing. So checking on Barry's claims is largely a waste of time as he is proffering opinions, not facts, and is stoking the campfire so he can bask in the heat generated. He has to deal with certain factual material if he is writing about science for clients. If there other places in his life for such concepts as facts and truth, it probably is not here on FFL. This place is for the insane; perhaps there are a few amateur sociologists and researchers hanging in here collecting data, but who might they be?
