You notice that neither Nabby nor Buck have answered my question - is group TMSP responsible for the violence that LED to the regime change? I can't believe either of them would credit this event to the TMSP practice, given the very clear description the TMO has always given of the Maharishi Effect and how it works. They have NEVER said that it creates violent change before positive results occur. It is rare that I give the TMO credit for anything, but to their credit at least they are not claiming credit for the Ukraine events, at least not officially. -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 2/23/14, TurquoiseBee <turquoi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> Date: Sunday, February 23, 2014, 4:35 PM I am currently writing a story containing a really cool character. He's...uh...like WAY heroic. I insist on believing that me dreaming him up and bringing him into existence by writing about him caused all of the recent positive events in Ukraine and none of the negative ones. How is my position that different than the one being taken by TB TMers here today? From: "anartax...@yahoo.com" <anartax...@yahoo.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2014 5:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: Ukraine? If we want to talk about cause and effect, why not just go back to the Big Bang. Then we have 13.79±0.037 billion years of cause and effect, meditated by the statistical indeterminacy of quantum mechanics, this latter creating a divergence from strict determinism. Your toothbrush and Ukraine are then on the same time line as is everything else. If you want to talk about the effect of consciousness, that only makes sense if you are in a state of experience (delusion) where you believe consciousness does things, that is, it is thought of as a separate element or force in relation to things. On the other hand, of you think of consciousness as Being, then it is things and their relationships, kind of like mass and energy are identical in general relativity, and that matter of cause and effect is meaningless because everything is a part of the relationship. So your toothbrush, the fact of meditating, or not meditating, the flow of time, and even fictional characters in books all have a relationship to the changes in Ukraine. The statistical indeterminacy of quantum mechanics means that from our perspective, some events do not result from preceding events, and this is how the universe creates, using a random throw of the dice, so it may be too, that Ukraine in its current state is the result not of a cause even if we think of the universe from the viewpoint of cause and effect. I am happy for them if they can get a stable government together and solve their bankruptcy problems. I use software from Ukraine, so I have an interest in their continued existence.