--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > <snip> > > > > Lawson is talking about a *theoretical* way of verifying > > > > something he has never witnessed. He's talking about a > > > > theoretical way that someone who believes in something > > > > could use to convince someone else that the something > > > > is real. > > No, he wasn't. He was talking about MMY's criteria > for real levitation. *You* injected the idea of > proof for the purpose of convincing others. > > <snip> > > > > But don't let any of that stop you in your ongoing > > > > attempts to impose what you believe on the world as some > > > > kind of "Truth." *Somebody's* got to be the obligatory > > > > religious fanatic on this group...might as well be you. :-) > > > > > > Asking for independent confirmation of an alleged phenomenon is > > > now called being a "religious fanatic?" > > > > My snippy remark was aimed at Judy, not you. She's > > made a "career" out of trying to "prove" her point > > of view "correct" on the Internet. You have not. > > I've made a career of trying to prove that being > agnostic about levitation is correct? Agnosticism is > religious fanaticism?? > > > My point with regard to your request for "independent > > confirmation" of the sidhis is based on my sincere > > belief that the quest for "independent confirmation" > > of such things is pretty much equivalent to Don > > Quixote's quest. Nothing you ever find will "prove" > > anything. > > And I challenged this argument in the part of my > earlier response that you decided you weren't able > to deal with. It's not as black-and-white as you > suggest. > > <snip> > > And when it comes to levitation, what would consitute > > "proof?" Photographs? In this age of Photoshop and > > digital touchups, photos are inadmissible in *court* > > in many states as "proof." Same with film, in the age > > of Final Cut. What, after all, does an easily-altered > > photo or film "prove?" If you're committed to believing > > that levitation doesn't exist, neither of these things > > will "prove" the opposite to you. > > Photos or film were not proposed (also in the part > of my earlier post you decided you weren't able to > deal with) as "proof" but rather as MMY's criteria > for levitation, i.e., that its nature is such that > it shows up on film, rather than just in one's mind. > > As far as convincing others is concerned, it would > be a matter of seeing levitation "live." As I said > in my earlier post, photos or film wouldn't cut it > because they can be too easily faked. > > For more on why your argument about convincing others > is faulty, see the parts of my earlier post that you > decided you weren't able to deal with. > > <snip> > > > No-one has said "your experience is invalid." All *I* have said > > > is that its not what I define as "Yogic Flying, floating > > > stage," since that is supposed to be independently verifiable. > > > > "Supposed to be?" As if the person who told you that is > > infallible? Are you looking to determine the truth of > > the situation or to verify that person's opinion? :-) > > No, we're talking about a definition of, or criteria > for, real levitation. *You* brought up the notion of > "proof" for the purposes of convincing others. That's > a separate issue (one I dealt with in the parts of my > earlier post that you decided you weren't able to > deal with).
Meanwhile, back in Paris, Unc, just returned from a wonderful walk along the Seine and a viewing of the new Wallace and Gromit movie, clicks on the computer, reads how Judy spent *her* morning, and feels a moment of compassion. But then he thinks to himself, "Self, isn't it fascinating how people who have never experienced something feel the need to define and categorize it, while those who have don't seem to give definitions much thought? I guess that's what makes them happy, and if it makes them happy, cool." Then he pours himself a nice glass of wine, and steps out onto the balcony to sit in the sun and enjoy the rest of the afternoon. It's too nice a day to get all stuck inside a head -- your own or someone else's. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
