--- In [email protected], Sal Sunshine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> On Oct 18, 2005, at 10:05 AM, authfriend wrote:
> 
> >  Well, they're not teaching hopping, they're teaching
> >  flying, so it would be dishonest to say the former.
> 
> They are not "teaching" flying, they are teaching how to repeat 
> phrases mentally X number of times, suggesting that when you do, a 
> desire to hop should come over you.  That's it.  All of the silly 
> rationalizations in the world will not change that.

I'd say what you just wrote is the silly rationalization.
You could also say piano lessons teach you how to push
down the keys of a piano.  That's just playing with words.

They're teaching a technique that they expect, or say
they expect, to enable you to fly.

> They have never shown how hopping can become flying--with good 
> reason, as they can't.

Assuming they could, how *would* they show that, exactly?
I don't know what you mean by "how hopping can become
flying."  I mean, on the face of it, hopping could become
flying if you didn't come down after rising into the air.

If you're saying they can't demonstrate not coming down,
that isn't in contention.  So I'm confused as to what
point you're making.

> And originally,  as many have pointed out, the flying and hopping 
> language was interchangeable.

True, I've pointed that out myself.  But my *point* was
that this has changed.

> >  At any rate, they routinely talk about the "three stages"
> >  of Yogic Flying, identifying the first as "hopping like a
> >  frog," and saying that's the most that has been achieved
> >  so far.
> >
> When was the last time you saw a frog fly, Judy?

Seems like a non sequitur.  The issue here was whether
they ever refer to hopping rather than flying.






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