--- In [email protected], "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > What do you think accounts for the phenomenon that > > > > some people *appear* not to be exerting enough > > > > muscular effort to hop as high and as far as they > > > > do? I hop like a Mack truck myself, but I've seen > > > > folks hop in a way that just doesn't seem right to > > > > my kinesthetic sense of how people move in relation > > > > to their weight. > > > > > > Ever see Michael Jordan play basketball in his prime? A physically > > > fit person can make moves that appear to defy gravity, but don't. > > > > Yeah, but in full lotus? > > > I realized after I wrote the above that it isn't so much > > the height and distance versus the effort apparently > > being expended, as it is the lightness of the touchdowns, > > even on foam. When Jordan lands after a leap, he has the > > full length of his legs to act as shock absorbers. > > > > And even with athletes like Jordan, or ballet dancers, > > I don't get the same sense that something is awry in > > my eye's calculation of what it *should* look like when > > a particular body lands. > > Anyone in good shape, esp strong leg muscles, knows that full lotus > is no barrier whatsoever to using leg muscles to lift the body into > the air.
No, but I was talking about landing specifically. > That's why the "best flyers" are always people in good > athletic shape. I flew in large groups for decades, 2 hrs per day > for some years, and never saw a soft landing. I'm not sure what you mean by "soft landing." I've frequently seen landings that seem to me *softer than they should be*. <snip> > The subjective perceptions > of "levitation" by people who have drunk the kool-aid is not > evidence enough - you need objective evidence which has not been > produced in almost 30 yrs. For the record, I'm *agnostic*; and I never suggested the subjective perception was evidence of anything. > I'm not saying that hopping is fake or "just physical", I think > there is some kind of mind-body connection going on some of the > time. Rick's pt on Jordan is right on - the great athletes are not > just in great physical shape, but achieve a unique mind-body > coordination that allows them to do feats that seem supernatural to > the rest of us. If you read their books you find them describing a > subjective experience of great witnessing-like stillness and > perfect coordination between mind and body at the same time they're > achieving these physical feats. > > Having been an athlete in my early life, I found the flying > technique very natural and reminiscent of how I felt during my best > athletic performances. Now, *that's* very interesting. Is it possible great athletes are actually experiencing a siddhi? > I think there is probably also a psychological dynamic going on - a > few yrs ago we had an experienced ericksonian hypnotist in this > forum who explained the correlations between that proven system of > influencing the mind/body and MMY's techniques. PLus the fact that > flying is better in groups and was so much better in the 70s than > now also points to some group psychological effect in action to me. Probably some; but I find it very unlikely that the sense of being much "deeper" has anything to do with psychology. The first time I ever experienced it--with plain-vanilla TM--I wasn't expecting it at all. I didn't think it had anything to do with meditating in a group until I'd had the same experience consistently a number of times. Subjectively, there's a very clear experience, for me, that the flying sutra is "livelier" in a group. I can't imagine how I could manage to produce that effect on a psychological basis. > I don't think it's supernatural Define "supernatural." Would you consider a latent human ability "supernatural"? In other words, do we define "natural" in terms of what we *assume* our limits to be, and might that assumption be incorrect? > or will ever result in levitation or world peace. > Plus I have my doubts of its spiritual value for people who have > been it with the exact same results for 20-30 yrs Do you mean in terms of "flavors"? I've never had much in the way of flavors, except for hopping, but I've experienced what seems to me to be very steady progress "spiritually" nonetheless. <snip> > PS - Regarding the highly publicized perfect EEG coherence during > lift-off, in 1981 I talked a respected Berkeley scientist into > trying to replicate that study, but she informed me during the > planning stage that it is impossible to get accurate EEG data while > the body is moving in that manner (she watched a hopping > demonstration). It wasn't entirely clear from some of the earlier charts, but if you actually read the studies and see some of the later charts, the EEG coherence is measured at the point immediately before liftoff, not during hopping itself. Which makes sense in terms of my experience; there's a marked change in "clarity" of consciousness just before the impulse to hop kicks in. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
