--- In [email protected], Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> on 10/18/05 12:07 AM, bbrigante at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > ***********
> > 
> > The strongest young gymnasts can only do a very poor imitation of
> > yogic flying for a couple minutes, at which time they are so
> > exhausted that they can't carry on -- that alone indicates that 
even
> > the slight evidence of YF to date is clearly consciousness-based,
> > not muscle-based. YFers can do it for twenty minutes, so it's
> > clearly not fatiguing like the tremendous muscular effort needed 
to
> > throw the body around.
> 


> That was always a movement argument but I question it. I've seen 
yogic
> flyers get plenty winded, and not coincidentally, the yogic flying
> "champions" Eddie Gob and Blaine Watson were ex-gymnasts.
>

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If the flying sutra were merely muscular effort (although there is 
certainly some muscular effort to initiate the process, following 
the instruction "Don't wait for the hand of God to throw you across 
the room."), then non-TM gymnasts could go as high as YFers for 
twenty minutes, but they can't and that really is proof enough. 
Saying that some of the YFers were gymnasts means nothing, because 
non-TM gymnasts cannot duplicate what you see in YF. Also irrelevant 
is that some YFers get winded, because they are pitching in more 
effort than others, but there obviously many YFers who are not 
winded after extended practice, an impossibility for non-TM gymnasts.






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