--- In [email protected], "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Your "research" is done by TBs within the org. and published by its > > > own journals - > > > > Pubmed doesn't list any TMO journal. The Esalen Institute isn't a TMO > > affiliate. > > I'm assuming Esalen didn't conduct all these studies, but are > summarizing the results of studies conducted by others. Do they give > a publication source for each study? I'll try to take a look at it > this weekend. Thanks for the link.
My bad. Looks like only 1600 studies. Here are two citations: http://www.noetic.org/research/medbiblio/index.htm Abbott, T. [1001] "Review of 'On Being Mindless: Buddhist Meditation and the Mind-Body Problem' by P. Griffiths." Journal of Asian Studies 47, no. 1 (1988): 178-179. [...] Zuroff, D.C., and J.C. Schwarz. [2667] "Transcendental Meditation vs. Muscle Relaxation: A Two-year Follow- up of a Controlled Experiment." American Journal of Psychiatry 137, no. 10 (1980): 1229-1231. > > > every group has stories of its accomplishments and > > > superiority. Your group's philosophy values subjective experiences > > of > > > "witnessing" and breath suspension and so that's what the stories > > > focus on. Other groups may not value those at all within its > > concept > > > of enlightenment. > > > > > > The one TM study that clearly meets objective research criteria and > > > that I think everyone would view as a positive benefit is reduction > > of > > > blood pressure. > > > > Hmmmm. You're familiar with all TM studies? > > No probably not, but I've consistently read all the PR they've put out > for decades and I can't remember any study mentioned done by a non- MUM > professor, most published by the TMO. ??? It's true that most of the TM research comes out of MUM and/or done by TMing researchers, but the blood pressure studies you're referring to aren't just MUM studies (as a for instance) and there are other studies that aren't MUM only. Even though the blood pressure > stuff is done by a MUM professor (Schneider), it's being published by > a very reputable journal. It was coordinated by MUM people. However, its not all MUM researchers. I know that at least some are not TMers either. Here are a couple of studies where apparently none of the researchers are from MUM. I know of other studies where MUM is listed as the primary institution but several of the researchers involved are neither MUM faculty nor TMers. 1: Am J Hypertens. 2004 Apr;17(4):366-9. Related Articles, Links Impact of transcendental meditation on ambulatory blood pressure in African-American adolescents. Barnes VA, Treiber FA, Johnson MH. Georgia Institute for Prevention of Human Diseases and Accidents, Department of Pediatrics, Medical College of Georgia, Augusta, Georgia 30912, USA. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Am J Cardiol. 2000 Mar 1;85(5):653-5, A10. Related Articles, Links Effects of transcendental meditation on symptoms and electrocardiographic changes in patients with cardiac syndrome X. Cunningham C, Brown S, Kaski JC. University of Westminster, London, United Kingdom. I don't mean to be too tough on tmo > research as I'm sure some is genuine, but the appearance is that it's > now a subdivision of the marketing dept. MUM's research has always been a "subdivision of the marketing dept," but the non-TM researchers don't have that agenda. By the time the MUM researchers are willing to invite non-TMing researchers to participate, they're pretty darned sure that TM will show better effects than other meditation/relaxation techniques. > > > > There are innumerable studies showing physiological changes > > associated > > > with a whole variety of mental practices. > > > > > > > As I mentioned earlier, the Esalen Institute has a summary of 4 > > thousand meditation studies. Less than 20% of them concern TM. > > Oh, I thot you were saying only TM has research, but I guess you were > saying only TM has research results that you see associated with > enlightenment, rather just some physiological change ...??? > The TM theories are based on the concept that enlightenment is a physiological state or states. The witnessing studies and breath suspension studies offer the most coherent connection between meditation research and theory that I'm aware of. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
