--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "markmeredith2002" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > For the majority of people, what is so rapid about TM > > > > > other than as a belief system? > > > > > > > > Dunno. You find research on other meditation techniques of people > > > > reporting 24/7 witnessing for years at a time, or breath > > > > suspension associated with reports of samadhi. > > > > > > Your "research" is done by TBs within the org. and published by its > > > own journals > > > > Er, no, it's mostly published in independent journals, > > many of them peer-reviewed. > > I was referring specifically to research on witnessing and breath > suspension which I doubt was published in a peer reviewed journal.
You're quite wrong. > > In terms of tm research in general in the past 20 yrs, I estimated a > couple yrs ago that about 95% was done by TMO insiders and about 80% > published in TMO publications or just delivered as an address at some > conference, which the TMO incorrectly refers to as published. Pubmed doesn't list TM journals OR conference proceedings. I > could not find any replication references to any of the studies. This > estimation was done based on a quick look at a TMO website with a long > list of studies. > > I'm not saying that some of the findings, esp physiological, aren't > real, but I think someone is very naive to not discount inside tmo > research due to the heavy marketing influence. I've heard from ex mum > professors and ex grad students of the heavy pressure put on mum > researchers to come up with positive results - basically to do the > study over and over and keep changing the statistical analysis until > you get what the university wants to hear. This is esp true with the > maharishi effect work. > I'm aware of that regarding the ME stuff thought the DC-ME study was pretty straightfoward in its statistics. However, the breath suspension studies are quite acknowledgedly performed on cherry- picked individuals, so there's no need to hide skewing of research since its literally built into the design openly. Also, for the studies done in collaboration with non-MUM/non-TM researchers, and even the TM/MUM-only stuff done with government grant money, there's a far greater degree of scientific rigor than the stuff that only appears at conferences or in "Collected Papers volume XX." ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
