--- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "Rory Goff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Well FWIW the 27-state model shows several possibilities for
this
> > occuring -- the simplest might be if after Brahma-Brahma-Brahma
> > (Crucifixion or Brahman or Nirvana) one progresses only as far
as
> > Brahma-Shiva-Shiva, at the subtlest end of Brahma's egg -- here
> one
> > would still be identifying with subtlest light, and even pretty
> > strong secondary bliss channeling down from Shiva's realm
through
> > oneself and into manifest creation -- this might be seen as the
> > lower end of Janaloka. However, if the model is right, one could
> > even ascend into the first third of Shiva's realm (Shiva-Vishnu
> > subsubgunas), embracing and dissolving the weak force (and thus
> > knowing physical immortality) but not yet truly embracing and
> > dissolving the strong force (sense of separate self) until the
> > middle third of the realm (Shiva-Brahma subsubgunas)...
> >
> > :-)
> >
> I suppose so, however are the dynamics of the model that static?
> Wouldn't the momentum of the gunas carry the 'freed' soul essence
> after Brahman is achieved, almost effortlessly into progressively
> more expanded states, creating a powerful and inevitable
dissolution
> of the strong force, and hence sense of self?
Well, it's a funny thing -- identity with a separate self is in a
very real sense dissolved at Brahman-Brahman-Brahman, when one
realizes one has always been "nobody," and there has always
been "nothing" to do amidst the ocean of perfection Now, and it is
at least possible to die at this point and not return to Earth or
Earth-like planes (as in the model one has reached "Maharloka").
As you and I are aware, the Work has now ended, but the Work also
actually *begins* at that point, wherein spacetime "reverses" and
one begins as Spirit to re-enter Matter as a sort of avatar,
to "eat" or assimilate the entirety of one's past. One's perfection
and Wholeness-Self has "blind-spots" to meet and greet. In a sense,
one has yet to fully fuse God and Goddess, one's male and female
sides, or to expand Wholeness beyond one's midsection ("Maharloka")
to embrace and assimilate one's whole bodymind...and beyond. But
many traditional models of Enlightenment end at Brahma-Brahma-Brahma
or Nirvana, so it is not difficult to imagine some portions of the
Whole deciding to "rest on their laurels" as it were :-)
Granted the model
> accounts for such a state as the 'pyramid people', but in Reality,
> how long could such a state be sustained?
"How long" ceases to have much meaning after Brahma-Brahma-Brahma,
doesn't it? I suspect Bentov is speaking of entities like the
Watchers or the Theosophical Society's Dhyan Chohans, or
the "Discarnate Gods" -- actually, filtering divine bliss through
one's system into the denser planes is a legitimate function; one is
serving as a sort of transformer or "elevator attendant."
If this is indeed "Janaloka," one or more of these entities might
eventually decide to return as a Teacher to the denser planes, and
in the process learn something more about themselves and the ever-
unfolding mystery of the human and the divine, and of the male and
female, and of duality in general :-)
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