---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <fleetwood_macncheese@...> wrote :
However, Barry, you have not done TM long enough to know whether your opinions are correct, or not. As someone who has meditated about *30 years longer* than you have, doing TM, I can tell you, unequivocally, that your opinions about TM are about as far off as your opinions about the TMO - Experience equals credibility, and you have very little. This is a hallmark of yours - do something for short time, decades ago, and then reemerge as an "expert" a few years later. You haven't practiced TM, or taught as a TM teacher for what, over 40 years? How could you possibly know what you are talking about? Answer: You don't. He's just posing for his friends, the lurking reporters. He gets pats on the back for sounding and posting like an idiot. Same old shtick. You'd think these brilliant reporters would have figured everyone here out by now, including sell-out bawee. I personally think these esteemed reporters are figments of bawee's imagination, his attempt to make himself feel useful and impotent, er, important. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <turquoiseb@...> wrote : From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> You seem to think that TM mantras are what makes TM special. YOU seem to think that TM is special. It's not. Neither are you, for practicing it. I would say it is the mantra + how TM is taught. F And the most important side-effect of TM mantras is that it becomes more charming as the mental activity becomes more refined. CHopra's mantras may well have this effect as well, couldn't say, though I suspect he has no equivalent to the TM puja to facilitate the initial step in learning to meditate. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <noozguru@...> wrote : It would probably have a different flavor. Each mantra has a different flavor. Would you like peach or orange? :-D On 07/06/2014 12:05 PM, LEnglish5@... mailto:LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: You already learned TM, so we can't tell if people who learn meditation from Chopra's own teachers have teh same results. Chopra isn't interested in conducting science to validate his claims, either. At least, it is really hard to find any published research on Primordial Sound Meditation. By the way, if you thought that TM and PSM were teh same, why did you bother to learn PSM? L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> mailto:mjackson74@... wrote : But mindfulness isn't the only other meditation out there. I used the mantras Chopra gave out after leaving TM (or rather that his teacher gave out, they who were originally taught by Roger Gabriel, a TM Governor who defected the Movement with Chopra). The mantras are different, chosen by one's birth chart and I think there are a hundred or so of them. The experience was quite good and no less "deep" than my experience of TM. And that is just one of the many other types of meditations. From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" mailto:fleetwood_macncheese@...[FairfieldLife] <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 5, 2014 5:41 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: YAS: Meditating has instant effect on reducing stress When examined for what it is, so called mindfulness, is not a mechanism for reliable transcendence, at all - more like meandering around on the surface of the mind. Something that clearly evolved, as a poor second best, after the knowledge of TM was lost. Those championing it have had very few, or no sustained, deep experiences of transcending, otherwise they would see it for the shallow practice that it is. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <LEnglish5@...> mailto:LEnglish5@... wrote : Eh, while the study in question by Rosenthal and company was tiny and had no control group, it was still a quite impressive finding. My point isn't so much that mindfulness doesn't have an effect on PTSD, but that the media hypes it as being very strong, while ignoring the evidence that TM's effects on stress are demonstrably far stronger. Stress isn't the only thing going on in the world, and isn't the only cause of mental and physical problems, and mindfulness' effects on the brain are quite different than TM's, so it is entirely possible that mindfulness will prove to be more therapeutic about many things in specific people than TM is. But on raw measures of stress-redection, my expectation is that TM will always prove superior, just because that is all TM is, really: Just stress reduction. Maharishi's description that the mind is allowed to wander in the direction of greater happiness, which also happens to be the state of least excitation of the brain, is very accurate, according to all the research. That's an important thing. It facilitates healing in nearly all situations. I saw "nearly all" because there are people who become more anxious, the more relaxed they get, and it may be due to a different mechanism than Maharishi's "stress release model" that he came up with to describe the cycle of activity during TM, and no doubt there are other exceptions. But for most people, TM's stress-reduction is a Very Good Thing that can help heal nearly any condition. L ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <turquoiseb@...> mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : From: "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Norman Rosenthal led a study on TM and PTSD that found that in 2 of the 5 subjects, brain imaging showed that the abnormally active amygdala had reset after teh first meditation, and stayed that way for the rest of the study. People are desperate to find that mindfulness works, so they report even the most trivial findings as though they were important. TMers are so desperate to "prove" TM to be "the best" that they'll diss any study that involves a "competing" meditation technique, no matter how trivial they claim it is. :-) ALL "research" on TM will be forever tainted because of the indoctrination given those who conduct the research by Maharishi and his parrot-teachers. From Day One of their exposure to TM they've been told that it's "the best," at the same time that they were told that all other techniques were garbage. That kind of indoctrination creates fanatics and cultists, not scientists. You *don't* see people doing research into other techniques of meditation wasting their time trying to prove them "superior" to TM, or to anything else. They're content to do real research to see whether the technique they're studying has some beneficial effect. It's only *TM* "researchers" who are so petty as to feel the need to constantly put down other techniques and the researchers who study them.
