"This pure consciousness is the basis of all these waking, dreaming and
sleeping states of consciousness. How do we know it? We know it for the
simple reason that pure existence is the basis for all that exists; it's
very obvious. All that exists, exists in the basis of existence. The
entire relative filed of phenomenal existence is based on pure
existence. Waking, dreaming, and sleeping - these are the three relative
states of consciousness. Belonging to the relative field they are based
on the absolute being. Therefore, these three states of consciousness
are based on pure consciousness, absolute Being."
'The Seven States Of Consciousness'
by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi
http://youtu.be/ScwYJ7GHixw
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On 7/13/2014 6:39 PM, [email protected] [FairfieldLife] wrote:
You are confusing the 24/7 establishment in Silence, with some
transient experience, and calling both, CC. Only the permanent state
is referred to as CC. A person may have a brief experience of
witnessing, even for a few days or weeks, but that is not called CC,
or Cosmic Consciousness, simply because it goes away.
To say that CC is not enlightenment by any standard, is a
misunderstanding of what CC, is. The other traditions may not
recognize CC for that it is, because they don't see it in its proper
context, as the permanent establishment of Silence, within oneself,
leaving only the discovery of Self in the external world for
enlightenment to continue.
All of your words are based on a transient experience of witnessing,
but not what can legitimately be called CC. You are taking your
beginner experiences of inner silence, and extrapolating them, to
interpret Maharishi's teaching, and you end up in a mess. Probably a
good thing for you to wait until the Silence is permanent, 24/7, to
comment further.
---In [email protected], <anartaxius@...> wrote :
No. It is just that CC is not enlightenment by any standard. It is an
early stage experience that one may have by whatever means a person is
pursuing enlightenment. It is not a permanent experience subjectively.
It is the first substantial taste of what 'freedom' in the
enlightenment sense might be because you recognise that there is
something more to experience than just thoughts, activity, and the
dead of sleep (TC is not substantial because it is intermittent).
Sleep is a completely silent state too, but there is no sense of self
or ego or sense of mind there, so evaluation of experience is not
possible in sleep, so you do not learn anything from it.
I believe others here have pointed out that M referred to CC as
'glorified ignorance'. The subjective experience of experiencing deep
silence inside but seemingly separate from the activity of the mind
and the world is nice. It represents the greatest contrast between
activity and non-activity that one can have on a spiritual path. It is
the easiest experience to point to on the spiritual path because of
that contrast between 'absolute' and 'relative' is so strong. But as
they are separate, they are dis-integrated, and the mind for the most
part is as deluded as ever, still seeing snakes in the grass when
there are none. What is actually being experienced is the reflection
of being on a silent aspect or facet of the mind that has developed as
a result of meditation.
You do not experience pure consciousness in this state. For the sake
of explaining this to someone in these states, you just say that, even
though it is not accurate, because it has referential and experiential
meaning for them in that state. But it is a lie. It gives you an idea
of what pure consciousness might be. An analogical experience and a
metaphorical explanation. There is no scientific evidence of
consciousness in the brain, or the mind, although scientist, for the
sake of research, have to assume consciousness is there somehow. They
are measuring correlates of subjective experience, that is all.
The witness of activity and experience is located equally everywhere,
not merely simultaneous with activity and experience, but this is
unknown in CC. CC experiences have been reported by TM meditators and
Zen meditators, but the Zen meditators do no consider this
enlightenment by any means. I assume it is also experienced by others
but I am not so familiar with those other traditions. I believe I saw
a reference to it once in an article about Sufis. The main thing is,
in the TM movement, one is not often informed that what one is being
told is part of the illusion. A thorn to remove a thorn. That at some
point that explanation is going to be pulled out from under your as
experience and understanding change.
When you dig out the thorn of ignorance with that second thorn (the
ideas and understanding that the spiritual path brings), what are you
going to do with the two thorns? You don't want the first one, that is
clear, but the second one is the same thing, so you have to toss that
one as well. That means everything on the spiritual path at some point
has to be tossed away. Everything you thought was real, turns out to
be an uninformed opinion about experience from your point of view. A
further problem develops, because if you want to talk about it, you
have to express it as a metaphorical opinion, and whoever is dense
enough to believe you is going to be sucked into the lie unless you
have the tools to lead them out of that eventually. Unlike many other
paths TM does not seem to foster critical thinking and practical
scepticism about what one is told. It actually seems worse has time
goes on, TM is becoming more and more a system of belief rather than a
system of strategies and understanding for freeing the mind from
ignorance.
Note that in Fred's article, the word enlightenment only appears
twice—as a keyword, and in the references, it does not appear in the
text of the article or the abstract. Note too that M once said that
with TM there was at least CC for everyone. But remember that is a
pale shadow of experience and knowledge to come. And that the
experience and knowledge to come might not be what you expect.
---In [email protected], <LEnglish5@...> wrote :
You have apparently missed the scientific research that Fred Travis
published more thn 10 years ago on people who were reporting being in
CC consistently for at least a year.
This article discusses the theory and research on pure consciousness
during TM and the theory and research on the stabilization of pure
consciousness outside of TM:
Transcendental experiences during meditation practice
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/nyas.12316/full
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---In [email protected], <anartaxius@...> wrote :
This reply Michael, is not logically sound. It is circumstantial
evidence that M was more interested in other things. But I too noticed
that projects began, or were advertised, and then never materialised.
I never gave money to any movement project. It was always very clear
that the flow of money was a one way street, and that if a project did
not materialise or was unfinished, you would not get anything back.
And for Nabby, if Buddha managed 500 enlightened people, what is TM
movement tally so far? Maharishi's statement would be true if the
movement produced 501 enlightened people, which taking into account
modern communications, would not be so hot by comparison. I have never
heard of any official movement statement regarding anyone getting
enlightened, including Maharishi. The most I have heard is from time
to time the movement publishes a list of 'experiences' certain people
have had, such as 'after TM I noticed that my nail fungus seemed
better than before'.
---In [email protected], <mjackson74@...> wrote :
His habit of begging, cajoling, bullying and wheedling people to give
him money for projects that never materialized and giving no
explanation for where the money went makes your assertion untrue.
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*From:* nablusoss1008 <[email protected]>
Raising individual and collective consciousness was the one aspect
that mattered most to Maharishi, everything else was just the frosting
of the cake.
"It is said that the Lord Buddha left 500 enlightened people. I think
we will do better"
- Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, Buddha Yayanti, River Rhine, Germany, 1982
