--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > <snip> > > One point I took away, with endless descriptions of deep experience, > > with MMY commenting, night after night, month after month, was > > labeling was not very important. People had good experience and he > > would say, "very good .. keep rounding". And that enlightenment was > > never self-proclaimed. Therefore, at least to me, lots of > proclaiming, > > lots of labeling, lots of prouncments that THIS is the enlightenment > > experience, NOT that, all seem very non-MMY to me. It is people out > > doing their own thing, not part of what MMY taught. > > That's been my impression, although I haven't been > around him personally. > > <snip> > > For example, vaj's point, " Siddhi and mahasiddhi: before one > attains > > full realization (mahasiddhi), one will often experience siddhis. > In > > the state of realization, mahasiddhi, when can perform siddhis at > > will.", to me seems close to what MMY told us when he first gave out > > the siddhis. That performance of the siddhi's was the acid-test of > cc. > > (I know now some say he said UC, but I heard cc on the first sidhi's > > course, maybe he changed it later, maybe some didn't hear it > directly > > at all, but the exaggeration/rumor mill version of it evolved to > uc.) > > FWIW, it was definitely UC when I took the TM-Sidhis > in 1984. And I'm virtually positive in an issue I have > of Modern Science and Vedic Science, in a long article > on the TM-Sidhis, he is quoted as saying exactly that. > Unfortunately the issue is in storage.
I think the Sidhis manifest due to CC transitioning, however briefly, to UC. > > <snip> > > think enlightenment is". The point being, I and others are not hung > > up on expectations, personally having abandoned such, but simply > > pointing out what MMY said. Thus one can claim "Fred's > Enlightenment" > > and describe it anyway one likes, but you can't claim MMY's CC > without > > having the criteria he set out for it. > > Exactly. > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
