Steve, you raise some very good points here. Which will likely not be addressed. I noticed that MJ did not answer any of the very reasonable, unprejudiced questions posted by soundofstillness a few weeks back. IMO, that spoke volumes about MJ.
On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 10:08 PM, "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: You have no idea what effect meditation and practicing the siddhis in a large group may have. You trot out the fact that Fairfield is not an ideal place, or that it has not produced the desired effect in high profile demonstrations as proof that it is useless program. And you suggest that any benefits which one associates with the practice* are due to the power of suggestion. *Again, as has been pointed out, you exempt any particular new age teachings, or techniques that you may be embracing at the moment, and you are undecided, (according to you own words) about channeling. And if you feel that you may be in a position to benefit financially, as in promoting treatments for PTSD for veterans, then certainly you exempt those treatments, even it they have a new agey twinge about them.. As for your usual Willytex reference, you might want to consider the advice he has sometimes offered you, which is to look more to the future, instead of spending so much time rehashing the past. He does not lie when he states that this TMO has made a remarkably deep impression on you. I mean, let's face it, you've often bragged about the profound experiences you've had (or had) both during and after meditation. The time spent watching you try to disown those experiences were some of the best posts we had in a while. I'd love to have a taste of that again. Oh, this wasting time is sometimes fun! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : The ME hasn't produced the result as it has predicted, so therefore it has not effect, no value. Now how in the world can you interpret it any other way? Are you really a Willy Tex clone? What do you do, sit in the John Hagelin presentations and say "Oh the Marshy Effect hasn't worked like you said it would, but I am just going to go on ignoring the man behind the curtain and believe whatever you and Big Bopper Bevan tell me. Here, here is another check to support the pundit project which is part of the ME effect." I answered my own question - you are a Willy Tex clone in addition to being a schnook and a schmoe. ________________________________ From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2014 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Science and the Meissner Effect of Consciousness as Field You have to understand that Michael lives in a black and white world. Darshan doesn't exist if not everyone responds to an so called enlightened individual in an exact same way. The ME hasn't produced the result as it has predicted, so therefore it has not effect, no value. I am not sure what makes a person view things in such a black and white way, and really wouldn't want to speculate about it. Oh, and then anyone who believes otherwise is some kind of cult apologist, or true believer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : Prove darshan exists - its a made up feel good deal. There are people who met Marshy and didn't feel shit for energy from him. So how do you account for that? Just interjecting here - I haven't been around anyone with this thing you call darshan and I certainly don't believe in "saints". Saints are renderings on canvas and in sculpture of mythical creatures who existed centuries ago and were memorialized in works of art. There are only human beings. Some are charismatic, some could charm the pants (literally) off someone and some can make you do all sorts of things like spend lots of money or time doing things they want you to do. However, there is power and there is energy and there is all sorts of stuff going on in the universe that is mysterious and scary and wonderful and invisible. The fact that some can feel the purported darshan from MMY and some don't is just like some people can be moved or can appreciate or feel the power in a great piece of music or art or film and some simply don't get it. It's in the perception of the perceiver, not necessarily inherent or not inherent in the object, person or event. ________________________________ From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2014 7:44 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Science and the Meissner Effect of Consciousness as Field ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Yes quite evidently you and the other anti-meditation anti-science folks here are afraid of where the data is going. Your asserting no data therefore no replication and therefore it can't be talked about or researched. You need psychiatric help. Asserting that it does not exist defies reality and scientific process itself of data, observation, hypothesis and testing . Lawson is looking at how to replicate given the practical constraints of such a project given the data. You completely miss-interpret to your own vile ends. You evidently don't want anything to happen less it disturb your anti-meditation and anti-spiritual grumblings. You contend the research can't be replicated and shouldn't be, well talk about subterfuge and anti-science anti-intellectualism. Next we'll hear from you that there never was such a thing as darshan where obviously there is and then you'll say it is not worth trying to look at for fear of what we might find. Did you just renew your membership down at the local conservative Anglican Church or something that you come on so regressive like you do? Is this your enlightenment Buck? A refusal to read what people say and then project some weird victim fantasy onto anyone who doesn't automatically accept the great master Hagelin at his word? Read it again and respond to what I say, not your paranoid fantasies.
