---In [email protected], <sharelong60@...> wrote : Salyavin, you wrote that the wonder of science is that it's fallible and improving all the time. I agree simply because I think that's true of everything and everyone on our planet.
No. When has any alternative medicine ever announced that is is scrapping a product line because testing showed it didn't work? Things like ayurveda are considered to be handed down by higher powers so they aren't going to be questioned are they? The wisdom of the ancients and all that bollocks. AND, I think science has become corrupt and almost irrelevant, the latter mainly because it moves so slowly. We live on different planets then. It's hard to develop new drugs and test them adequately but it is essentially as we are dealing with things that actually change the way the body works rather than massage the ego of the consumer. In these days of ever speedy change, the systems that survive are the ones that can provide solutions quickly. As an example, I point to the ebola crisis. People are dying while science is bogged down, not only in its own machinations, but in the rusty gears of politics and economics. But who is actually working on a vaccine? The local witch doctor? Name an alternative therapy that has cured someone of Ebola. Exactly, the cure when it comes will come from a pharmacological company and not Dr Raju. Just like it has with treatments for HIV and Rabies and everything else. You say science is bogged down but what would we even know about Ebola without the hard-won methods of analysis and identification that we have, the locals probably think it's due to the recent eclipse or not praying hard enough to the right god. I'm not kidding, it's only recently that causes of most diseases that used to plague us were worked out, and it was worked out by people thinking systematically and using the trial and error methods of modern science. On Friday, August 22, 2014 2:13 AM, salyavin808 <[email protected]> wrote: ---In [email protected], <noozguru@...> wrote : On 08/21/2014 12:14 PM, salyavin808 wrote: ---In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], <noozguru@...> mailto:noozguru@... wrote : On 08/21/2014 10:09 AM, salyavin808 wrote: Doesn't your Royal Family use homeopathy? Oh well, it must be true then. I suppose wearing a crown makes you immune from errors of reasoning. Well, I was kidding you, of course. Even Turq once disagreed with Curtis anti-homeopathic stance because he had actually found a homeopathic substance useful. There's something to the science even if it twiddles the mind of a high school trained scientist. That's the point, there is nothing to the science. That's why we do science, to work out what's real from what isn't, there's nothing like blind testing to give the lie to dodgy claims. Like we did with astrology and all sorts of other nonsense. Check the periodic table posted by MJ earlier for details. :-D Problem is the naysayers are "often reviewing a movie without having seen it." These ideas sound wacky to them until the "white coats" adopt it for their mainstream medicine (as has happened with some of ayurveda). = You actually can get homeopathy on the National Health in the UK but there is a campaign to stop it as using tax payers money to fund something you can demonstrate is ineffective when there are so many people with health problems that simply drinking water given to you by someone friendly won't cure, the money should go to effective and tested treatments. = I would say that until something is tested it shouldn't be described as medicine (this happens here anyway) if ayurvedic treatments survive double blind tests then yes, they should be included in public health programmes. But as it is it's not a system of knowledge but a set of folk beliefs, some of which are known to be seriously dangerous. Testing is expensive though so I fall back on my trusty old maxim: try ayurveda until there is something wrong with you, then go see a proper doctor. Sounds like you've been brainwashed by Big Pharma. = Nah, they just gave me a blue pill. = Welcome to "Brave New World" which is just what Huxley feared (in spite of those who think he was suggesting it as a solution -- they seemed to have failed to read the opening of his "Brave New World Revisited." = Do yourself a favour and drop the conspiracy theories when it comes to your health. = I guess you think that most MD's are geniuses instead of often just kids of MDs who want to join the "family business" and make it through medical school with help from dad or mum's influence on the dean. At least that is often the way it goes in the US. It's all about money and Big Pharma is just the the Military Industrial Complex where lots of money is to be made at the cost of lives of the general public. And BTW, some of Big Pharma's "wonder cures" have proven to be ineffective too if not downright dangerous (Vioxx for example). = The wonder of science is that it is inherently fallible and is improving all the time. The trouble with drug companies is the amount it costs to research and test new drugs, hence corruption creeps in. To throw out the whole thing because of a few cock-ups is throwing an almighty baby out with the bath water. A return to mediaeval mortality rates like we'd see if "natural" medicine took its crown back would soon wipe the smug smiles off the faces of the anti-pharma crowd. = On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:59 AM, "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]" <[email protected]> mailto:[email protected] wrote: Michael, are you being paid by Big Pharma?! On Thursday, August 21, 2014 9:47 AM, "Michael Jackson mjackson74@... [FairfieldLife]" <[email protected]> mailto:[email protected] wrote: What everyone on FFL needs on their wall http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html http://crispian-jago.blogspot.com/2010/10/handy-alternative-therapy-flowchart.html The Reason Stick: A Handy Alternative Therapy Flowchart Believe it or not, I don't really have a particular interest in alternative therapies, I just can't help picking at the scabs of alt-med credulity. View on crispian-jago.blogspot... Preview by Yahoo
