I think you've amply displayed classic Judy traits in this discussion thus far, so yes, I agree, no need to keep at it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote : In other words Sal, you're going to take your ball, and leave because you didn't get your way. There must be a good British term for this. And what would "my way" be in this case? There aren't any proven uses for it, only anecdotes. The only plus I can see is that I might end up looking like a cyberman. You are welcome to keep using it if you find it effective. Maybe you'd prefer it if I became the bastard son of Judy and argued on and on and on and on about it until every point has been trissected a billion times and we've all forgotten what we were talking about in the first place... ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <j_alexander_stanley@...> wrote : Only one of those references mentions the concentration of silver, and it is 450 PPM. But other references from the Google search term " Colloidal Silver risks" claim there is no known safe limit as peoples resistance varies. The general thrust I got is that as there are no proven medical uses it isn't worth the risk. I feel no need for it (other than for taking less time to dress up for nightclubs) so I shall happily save my money! YMMV Unfortunately, there's a lot of flat out wrong information floating around with respect to making CS, and that results in people like Stan Jones and Paul Karason smurfing themselves with concentrated silver salt soup because they used tap water or added salt. There are also commercially available silver products in the hundreds and thousands of PPM range. The true observable science is that ingesting silver in large quantities will cause argyria. But, just because large quantities of silver cause argyria, doesn't mean tiny quantities cause it. Distilled water has very low conductance, typically around .8 to 1.2 microsiemens, so properly made CS takes a long time to brew. I make a gallon at a time, with large flat electrodes, and it takes more than 12 hours to run a batch. My finished CS measures around 20-22 microsiemens; if it were 450 PPM, my conductance meter wouldn't even be able to measure it. My generator is one of the more sophisticated ones, with current control and auto-shutoff, and units like these are well worth the investment. Sure, you can make CS with a pair of silver wires and three 9v batteries, but you're running blind, and the people using such crude setups tend to be the ones who use impure water or added salt. The subject in the dermatology journal was no doubt one of those people: "He was able to obtain plans for a simple battery-operated chamber designed to leach silver from pure silver wire. He ingested approximately 16 ounces (~ 450 ml) of 450 ppm colloidal silver three times a day for 10 months." ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote : Salyavin, actually I did google on silver before I bought it. I even asked the store clerk about the grey skin possibility. She informed me that they use it all winter long on ear aches for their kids. Plus my Dad had been saved by it. So... Such is my kind of science. Here's my kind: The FDA has concluded that the risk of using silver products exceeds any unsubstantiated benefit [3]. So far, eleven cases of argyria related to silver products have been reported: A 56-year-old man who had sold and used colloidal silver for three years, developed blue/gray discoloration of his fingernails accompanied by a very high blood level of silver [4]. A married couple who had three years of daily consumption of a drink prepared by administering an electrolytic charge to a bowl of water that contained a silver bar [5]. Another couple had been taking a silver-containing "dietary supplement" prescribed by a naturopath [5]. A mentally ill man who had been drinking silver-containing herbal tea for about 10 months [5]. Stan Jones, Montana's Libertarian Party candidate for the U.S. Senate, who reportedly started taking colloidal silver in 1999 for fear that Y2K disruptions might lead to a shortage of antibiotics. He made his own concoction by electrically two silver wires in a glass of water [6]. Two men, ages 63 and 76, developed argyria after a year of product use inspired by Internet claims [7]. A 16-year-old boy developed blue-gray pigmentation of his entire body after ingesting a silver-containing dietary supplement for a year. The product, packaged so that it was identical to bottled water. was touted as a preventive for everyday infections [8]. A 58-year-old man who treated a presumed kidney infection with a home-brewed colloidal solution 12 times a day for 4 days developed argyria about 4 weeks later [9]. A 38-year-old man developed argyria after ingesting approximately 16 ounces of 450 ppm colloidal silver three times a day for 10 months to treat his arthritis and other conditions. He made the solution with a simple battery-operated chamber that leached silver from pure silver wire. He had obtained the plans from information on the Internet [10]. The photograph to the right shows how his skin color compares to that of normal skin. [3] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Abstract Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal silver [eScholarship] http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal ... http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Systemic argyria associated with ingestion of colloidal silver Akhil Wadhera MD and Max Fung MD Dermatology Online Journal 11 (1): 1... View on escholarship.org http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 http://escholarship.org/uc/item/0832g6d3 Preview by Yahoo I think these dudes with argyria look really cool. Ought to save a fortune on fancy dress costumes, but you are kind of limited to going as cyborgs... Text and links from: Colloidal Silver: Risk Without Benefit http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html Colloidal Silver: Risk Without Benefit http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html Colloidal Silver: Risk Without Benefit Stephen Barrett, M.D. Colloidal silver is a suspension of submicroscopic metallic silver particles in a colloidal... View on www.quackwatch.com http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html Preview by Yahoo As usual, you pays your money and you takes your chance....