On 8/26/2014 9:38 AM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
Thanks, Richard, cool info. I once heard from a friend that we can
fulfill those less than wonderful desires in dream state. And that
counts too but doesn't, I guess, accrue any negative karma.
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It is obviously counter-productive to desire to be enlightened more than
one is going to be enlightened. Desiring more than one is going to get
leads to frustration, lamentation, and grief. It is impossible to to
stop desiring, and at a more subtle level, it is fruitless to want to
stop desiring more than one is going to stop desiring, relative to
wanting to stop wanting.
According to Professor A.J. Bahm, these practical difficulties do not
invalidate the principle of wanting to attain a state of desirelessness,
they merely indicate desire's universality, the subtlety with which it
operates, the reason why it is commonly misunderstood, and the need for
a special meditation to bring it into manageable operation.
Base desire also works subtly, not merely because desires are emotively
imprecise, but especially because the desire to prevent desiring more
than will be attained is itself unconsciously desired too much. For
whenever one desires to stop 'desiring more than will be attained', this
additional, deeper desire also becomes a desire for more stopping than
will be attained. Thus this additional, deeper desire requires its own
additional, still deeper desire to stop desiring more stopping than will
be attained.
You are not going to get any more enlightenment than you are going to
get. When you realize this, you will be free and there won't be any more
stress. Any time there is stress there is wanting - even if it is
wanting less stress. The answer to this riddle is actually very simple
when you think about it.
According to Bahm, /"He who finally gives up trying to solve the problem
of frustration, thereby becoming willing to accept his desires and
frustrations for what they are, finds the problem solved."/
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On Monday, August 25, 2014 9:16 PM, "'Richard J. Williams'
pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:
On 8/25/2014 8:59 PM, s3raph...@yahoo.com <mailto:s3raph...@yahoo.com>
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
Re"I have never met a single TM'er who could honestly say they had
fulfilled all desires":
And yet, . . ., and yet . . . Isn't it the case that *when you are
meditating* you often enter a state in which your quotidian desires
no longer impinge on your consciousness and you are happy to remain
just where you are. True, one could say the same thing about being
asleep, but Indian philosophers have often taken the deep sleep state
as a paradigm for enlightenment. No desires = fulfillment of desires.
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In /Tibetan Dream Yoga/, maintaining full consciousness while in the
dream state is part of Dzogchen training. This training is described
by Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche as /'Rigpa Awareness'./ Lucid dreaming is
secondary to the experience of '/Diamond Light'/. Rigpa Awareness is
very similar to 'witnessing sleep' in TM, which helps the individual
understand the unreality of waking consciousness as phenomena.
Apparently the EEG patterns are the same in Rigpa Awareness as in TM.
Read more:
'Tibetan Yoga Of Dream And Sleep'
by Tenzin Wangyal Rinpoche
Snow Lion, 1998
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