That people have different experiences in different states of
consciousness doesn't mean the brain didn't give rise to those
states too.
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On 8/28/2014 2:33 PM, salyavin808 wrote:
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Sure, it's still a mystery how the "hard problem" is to be
resolved but to prove the mystics right you would need to do a
complete search of the brain and not be able to find any evidence
that consciousness exists or is controlled from there. But we
have plenty of evidence of that already, like where it happens
(mostly) how to switch it off etc. it would be bizzarro world
extraordinaire if we couldn't finish the job.
Everything that exists is made of the same stuff obeying the same
laws. Consciousness looks like it's an evolutionary
Johnny-come-lately. Unless the paradigms really do shift and
everything we know is wrong!
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In "Eye to Eye," Ken Wilber applies his spectrum of consciousness
model to epistemology. Epistemology is the science of what can be
known - knowledge, and how we get it. Attempting to investigate
the realm of spirit, for example, with the "eye of flesh," that
is, the eye that perceives only sensory phenomena, will not yield
real knowledge of the realm of spirit, which is not disclosed to
sensory perception. There is an old Zen saying: 'The eye cannot
see itself.'
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On 8/29/2014 1:17 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
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Sounds convenient for him. Doesn't prove there is a spiritual realm
though does, it just refuses to allow us to speculate.
Consciousness is the field. Simply put, no objects exist independently
of their being known.
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"There is no place in this new kind of physics both for field and
matter, for the field is the only reality". - Albert Einstein
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You do realise that this quote completely undermines your argument
that there are two "things" present?
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There is only the field, everything else is an illusion, not real, yet
not unreal - because it is presented to us. Even if we actually consult
real people, are they not subject to the same errors as we? Cannot
people be in agreement and yet in error? For centuries people agreed
that the earth was flat. If others share our error, how can we profit by
consulting them for proof? Yet, past experiences may have been erroneous
consistently. The realist thinks he sees directly back into an existing
past which in reality has ceased to exist!
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'Eye to Eye: The Quest for the New Paradigm'
by Ken Wilber
Shambhala, 1990
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