---In [email protected], <[email protected]> wrote :
Sal:And that, in a nutshell, is why people get involved with religious groups like TM that promise the world and yet deliver nothing. Maybe you missed the intro talk, maybe you never heard Marshy talking about enlightenment, maybe you never read the research about improved relationships and effortless problem solving. Life is Bliss, you heard that one at least? Ray: I don't mean to be rude Sal, but what are you talking about? Or, maybe I should thank you for telling me that I received nothing from my involvement in TM. That is what your are saying right? You are describing for me what I experienced, what I got from my time there? Please correct me if I'm wrong. Sal: Maybe you wised up quicker than Edg did, good for you but you don't sound like a sceptic, you sound like someone who brought a car and found out it was rubbish but tells everyone it's great apart from the fact it was rubbish to start with. Ray: Skewed is what your perspective is here, Sal. If someone asked me now if I would recommend TM, I would say, yes it is beneficial. You can use it as relaxation technique, or you can use it as step on a spiritual journey. As in any journey, stay awake. Would I have pause about a learning fee of over $1,000.00? Yes, I would. I would tell them to work out a financial arrangement, which I know is offered. Which one is it? You can speak for yourself Sal, but evidently the practice of TM is still part of your regimen, if not exclusively. It's easier to think that about me than realise the contradictions inherent in what you are saying. RIght, and fortunately you are the one with clear, flawless insight about things. ---In [email protected], <[email protected]> wrote : I went to at least ten different jyotish "experts." Not a single one predicted my future or knew stuff about me from my past. I went to Gandhi, "Maharishi's astrologer," when it was still allowed. Guy read my palm too! GAWD. Then there I consulted with about ten ofl the FF folks who jumped on the jyotish bandwagon. Not saying jyotish doesn't work -- just saying I never had anyone show me it does. I did my jyotish diary for five years -- actually assigned numbers to various qualities of life -- on a daily basis, I was rating my sex life, my finances, my dreams, my food, my sleep....about a dozen attributes.....and then I tried to find correlations with the charts........never could get zilch for a correlation. Ya'd have thunk I would have somehow unconsciously arranged to make my life fit the stars better. You know, I should have wrote more poetry when Mercury was strong in the chart...and then point to it as if it had naturally occurred. Nope -- I didn't even have a placebo cheating thingie going on. I wore the Vedic gems....all that. I went to three different PhDs in psychology -- one of them was pretty good and knocked my socks off with insights, but not a thing changed in my usually M.O. But, oh, I can talk about me endlessly ! ! ! Went to about six psychic types. So, don't nobody tell me I didn't at least make an effort to address my negativities. $11,000 alone spent in a six-month flurry-of-seeking period there....all for naught. Fuck, I even let the chicken-guts guy from the Philippines pretend to shove his hand inside me. I had two different persons "make strange sounds with their mouths" -- special sounds dontchaknow..... I had entities removed from my aura.......what a relief, eh? Had a psychic-nurse declare me and my family healthy -- for $125 each....then my son got cancer diagnosed the next week. We had gone to this "nurse" because that was her thang...spotting cancer. So I tried FFL. And now I iz saved. I have at least ten people here who are telling me if I make the least mistake. For free! How good is that!
