I think Share, for God to put us through all of this, it's got to more than 
just an 'ultimate relaxation'. You know that;  it is described as Sat (Truth) 
Chit (Conscious..) Ananda  (Bliss or eternal happiness), Yogananda calls it 
'ever new joy'. 

 TC is more than just No thought and NO mantra.......really? (Don't know 
whether to laugh or cry). People, including TM instructors, take MMY's 
analogies too far!, they're just teaching tools! Some day Share, if you keep 
meditating, you will have a clear experience of transcendental consciousness 
and you'll NEVER forget it, NEVER! It will be an explosion of happiness and 
bliss like you've never experienced before, now that's worth infusing...........

 We should be happy and grateful that we transcend just a little, but it's not 
the 'full monty', if you will.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote :

 wgm, one of the most interesting tidbits I've heard recently is that Maharishi 
once explained enlightenment as the ultimate relaxation, though the person who 
told me wasn't sure if the word was ultimate, but something along those lines.

 From my own experience I agree with this 100%. I notice that the more relaxed 
I am in activity, the more loving I feel. It's not rocket science!

 Sometimes if I need to settle down in activity, I'll simply track my next five 
breaths. No trying to slow it down. No trying to deepen it. Just paying 
attention to my next five breaths. So far, it works every time.


 On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 5:44 PM, wgm4u <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

   I would agree, and far from it, even to the extent that he may have NEVER 
even experienced it TC to begin with. MMY used to honestly say in the beginning 
(which is where most people are...and remain, i.e. beginners) it's like 
perceiving a house in the distance, enough to know it's not a tree (or words to 
that effect).

 My point being, even if you only experience a MOMENT of bubbling bliss, it is 
so enrapturing everything else pales in comparison, he apparently/perhaps 
obviously didn't even have that! Which would be the common experience of most 
TMers In short, SC was not transcending, nor do most meditators, deal with it!

 No thought, no mantra and NO bliss equals NO transcendental consciousness!  
As, even a moment of that bliss is more rewarding than all of worldly pleasures 
one could have in a lifetime, combined. How do I know, OK, I experienced it 
ONCE. During TM I fell asleep and awoke on the other side of deep sleep, it was 
pure bliss (I don't even know if that would qualify as transcending other than 
I had that incredible experience.

 Think of the bubble diagram, the transcendental is beyond relativity, it IS 
enlightenment. IMHO


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote :

 wgm, what I'd feel safe concluding is that Stephen Collins wasn't established 
in bliss consciousness. 

 As for hyperbole, a friend of mine, whose been told he's in BC, says that 
hyperbolic speech is a cultural aspect of life in India. I'd add that for a 
practical visionary like Maharishi, his job is to offer the highest vision and 
a means to attain it.



 Hmmm, I guess Charlie meant 7 HUMAN lifetimes?

 On Wednesday, October 8, 2014 2:10 PM, wgm4u <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 What you CAN conclude Share is that Mr. Collins wasn't transcending to 'bliss 
consciousness' ( "Let the Bliss begin", on wall behind Youtube interview at 
David Lynch event ), if he were? do you really think he would have been 
molesting girls? Like I said, he never got his promised banana. ;-)

 Doesn't mean there is NO bliss consciousness, just that MMY's rhetoric is 
mostly hyperbole. TM may, eventually, lead you to enlightenment, but more 
likely in 7 lifetimes life Charlie Lutes suggests, which is more consistent 
with the proper understanding of Yoga.

 TM is merely watered down Yoga....still good, just, keep it in context.

 Stephen Collins at The David Lynch Foundation Night of Comedy 

 Stephen Collins at The David Lynch Foundation Night of C... 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcQ_cogtn4o Stephen Collins is on the Board of 
Directors of The David Lynch Foundation and talks about meditation and upcoming 
projects with Comic Bible TV Correspo...

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