You have not addressed how my statement is inaccurate (You can't, because it 
isn't) nor have you addressed why you need to continue to defend an 
organization that has a long track record of lies and deception and its founder 
and the technique itself when you no longer do the technique, nor its 
"advanced" programs and don't teach it anymore. 

 From: " [FairfieldLife]" <>
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

Oh, Holy Mother of Jesus. 

So, let me get this straight.  The TMO is a lying organization from gitgo.  (or 
so you say).  We know the rest, right, Marshy, old goat, ladeda deda.  The same 
diatribe you pour out several times a day.

But, you are saying, that because you view the TMO as a disreputable 
organization, you now have the right to make inflammatory, inaccurate, partial 
truth statement about same organization.

Believe me.  I know that makes sense to you.  

But, ...........................what was it you were saying about mental 

---In, <mjackson74@...> wrote :

What a double standard fool you are - you are asking me or anyone else to make 
objective statements about the TM or the TMO??? When has the TMO ever done 
that? With them its all about telling over the top lies to make money and you 
who claim not to even meditate much anymore have to defend them? You got mental 
problems that just won't quit. 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" <>
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco


You can't be trusted to make any kind of objective statement regarding TM.

If it were to your advantage to praise the NIH in some regard, you would do so.

You have no in-depth knowledge of the studies you cite below.

On the surface, they look frivolous, but you have no idea if some real benefit 
may have come from them.

Again, your only interest in citing those studies, is a means to discredit TM.

And your case is weak in this instance, and often quite skewed (to say the 
least) in the other instances you come up with on a daily basis.

---In, <mjackson74@...> wrote :

Address what I said to him. How is that stupid? I showed quite clearly that he 
is a liar. The NIH hands out money to just about anyone who can write a grant 
You might even be able to get a few million to study why TM'er are more 
predisposed to become slavish minded dumbasses later in life. But in the final 
analysis society will be better off studying the way South Africans wash their 
balls than bullshit studies on TM's weak and non-existent "benefits" - most of 
TM's modern benefits are lining the TMO's pockets. 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" <>
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco


Did you become this stupid because you stopped your practice of TM and the TMSP?

You brain is addled by TM, but not in the way you think.

Try something.  I don't know what.  But try to develop an interest other than 

You are sinking into utter idiocy.

P.S.  Try looking back
at some of your more early posts.  Occasionally you had something interesting 
to say.

A funny thing happened on the way to forum.  But in your case, it's just no so 

---In, <mjackson74@...> wrote :

One more note, Mr. Nameless Director of Operations, your assertion on funding 
by the NIH -  "to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is
performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply
flawed, the research would not be funded or published."

This is, quite honestly complete bullshit.
All one has to do to get funding by the NIH is to know how to write a grant 
proposal. That's it. 

are just a few things the NIH has funded over the years, some of them nearly as 
stupid as funding research on TM.

 The National Institutes of
Health paid researchers $400,000 to find out why gay men in Argentina engage in 
risky sexual behavior when they are drunk.

Researchers at Indiana
University's Kinsey Institute, funded by NIH, investigated why “young
heterosexual adult men have problems using condoms.” Price tag? $423,500, 
according to NIH records. 

The NIH also once spent $442,000 to study the behavior of male prostitutes in 

The NIH once spent $800,000 in “stimulus funds” to study the
impact of a “genital-washing program” on men in South Africa.

I realize that your much vaunted master Mahesh Prasad lied like a dog all the 
time, so it could be you are lying "as is our tradition" but for your own sake, 
at least make the prevarications somewhat credible. 

 From: "infor cwae infocwae@...
[FairfieldLife]" <>
To: "" <> 
Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:49 PM
Subject: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San 
Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the 
city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have 
occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 

 1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high 
schools we
worked in. 

This is incorrect. We
purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically for the Quiet Time 
program. We own
2. That the windows and
doors in the rooms we used at a high school were papered over so that no one 
see in, and that the school had to remove the papering after we left.
A single door to a small
room was partially papered only during training sessions to reduce the
distraction from other students walking by during passing period. This paper
was taken down each day, and was not remaining after the meditation training
staff left the school.
3. That we had
been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this year.
One school decided to
discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the spring semester due 
primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time constraints. There are
many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the program, so we only 
work with those that are able to fit it into their schedule. After providing 
this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and administrators for the last 7
years, we have had over a 90% program satisfaction rating. An extremely small
minority of parents, teachers and administrators have had issues with the 
program, usually
because of biases or misunderstandings.
4. That most of the
research referenced by the TM organization is "either bogus or deeply
There are over 100
studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed scientific journals
indicating various positive mental and physical health effects. Research
has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California and other
reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has funded over
24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be published in
peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is
performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply
flawed, the research would not be funded or published. 

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