Actually, the NIH is pretty cash-strapped these days and the competition is 
very fierce for research grants, especially in a non-mainstream field like TM. 
And $24 million to study TM isn't the same as $200,000, or $800,000.  




 TM researchers are very aware of this, and while privately funded TM pilot 
studies still get published (the pilot studies on PTSD in Uganda were paid for 
by teh DLF, for example), when TM researchers go after public funding, they are 
REALLY careful in how they design the studies. Only the best designs with the 
most plausible rationale are going to get the money, and since the data from 
NIH-funded studies, by law, must be made easily available to the public, even 
if the study never gets published, there's very strong incentive to ONLY use 
NIH grants for studies where TM researchers are pretty darned positive that TM 
will shine.

 Here's an example of a proposed design for a new TM study:

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 It will be pretty cool if that study gets funded by the NIH. Of course, I 
expect TM to do well in treating PTSD, so I am most interested in seeing the 
results of the genetic analysis component of the study. That is the new darling 
for TM research, as it could be done for any kind of study--psychological, 
neurological, cardio, pure consciousness, enlightenment--anything.

 It is a very 21st Century thing to suspect that there are genetic and 
epigentic factors that influence how people respond to therapies, including TM.

 For example, is there a genetic or measurable epigenetic component for why 
some people show breath suspension during pure consciousness while others 
don't? Likewise with experience of "bliss" during TM?
  [I've never had "bliss" the way David Lynch describes, even as the aftermath 
of what I believe are pure consciousness episodes, and yet he says that every 
meditation period is extremely blissful]

 What about Yogic Flying and other TM-SIdhis practice? Is hopping during Yogic 
Flying predictable on a genetic/epigenetic level? Does YF influence things 
epigenetically in a measurable way? 

 [any experience or activity almost certainly creates an epigenetic change, so 
"measurable" needs to be inserted here]

 Could epigenetic testing help guide recommendations to make TM and Yogic 
Flying more effective? Could it be used to augment/replace Ayurvedic 

 Those are questions that could occupy researchers for another 100 years, even 
if TM research suddenly became even more popular than mindfulness studies.



 [By the way, "genital washing" in South Africa might be a REALLY important 
issue. STDs are rampant throughout Africa due to various social and hygiene 
issues.  Would you object to an $800,000 study on ways to improve health 
education to help fight the spread of Ebola, even if said study was simply 
about finding more effective ways of convincing people to wash their hands?]

---In, <mjackson74@...> wrote :

 Address what I said to him. How is that stupid? I showed quite clearly that he 
is a liar. The NIH hands out money to just about anyone who can write a grant 
proposal. You might even be able to get a few million to study why TM'er are 
more predisposed to become slavish minded dumbasses later in life. But in the 
final analysis society will be better off studying the way South Africans wash 
their balls than bullshit studies on TM's weak and non-existent "benefits" - 
most of TM's modern benefits are lining the TMO's pockets. 


 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" <>
 Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:29 PM
 Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco

 Did you become this stupid because you stopped your practice of TM and the 

 You brain is addled by TM, but not in the way you think.

 Try something.  I don't know what.  But try to develop an interest other than 

 You are sinking into utter idiocy.

 P.S.  Try looking back at some of your more early posts.  Occasionally you had 
something interesting to say.

 A funny thing happened on the way to forum.  But in your case, it's just no so 


---In, <mjackson74@...> wrote :

 One more note, Mr. Nameless Director of Operations, your assertion on funding 
by the NIH -  "to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by 
highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the 
research would not be funded or published."

 This is, quite honestly complete bullshit. All one has to do to get funding by 
the NIH is to know how to write a grant proposal. That's it. 

 Here are just a few things the NIH has funded over the years, some of them 
nearly as stupid as funding research on TM.

  The National Institutes of Health paid researchers $400,000 to find out why 
gay men in Argentina engage in risky sexual behavior when they are drunk.

 Researchers at Indiana University's Kinsey Institute, funded by NIH, 
investigated why “young heterosexual adult men have problems using condoms.” 
Price tag? $423,500, according to NIH records. 


 The NIH also once spent $442,000 to study the behavior of male prostitutes in 

 The NIH once spent $800,000 in “stimulus funds” to study the impact of a 
“genital-washing program” on men in South Africa.

 I realize that your much vaunted master Mahesh Prasad lied like a dog all the 
time, so it could be you are lying "as is our tradition" but for your own sake, 
at least make the prevarications somewhat credible. 


 From: "infor cwae infocwae@... [FairfieldLife]" <>
 To: "" <> 
 Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:49 PM
 Subject: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
   I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San 
Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the 
city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have 
occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 

  1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high 
schools we worked in. 

 This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically 
for the Quiet Time program. We own them.
 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were 
papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the 
papering after we left.
 A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training 
sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during 
passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after 
the meditation training staff left the school.
 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this 
 One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the 
spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time 
constraints. There are many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the 
program, so we only work with those that are able to fit it into their 
schedule. After providing this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and 
administrators for the last 7 years, we have had over a 90% program 
satisfaction rating. An extremely small minority of parents, teachers and 
administrators have had issues with the program, usually because of biases or 
 4. That most of the research referenced by the TM organization is "either 
bogus or deeply flawed"
 There are over 100 studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed 
scientific journals indicating various positive mental and physical health 
effects. Research has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California 
and other reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has 
funded over 24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be 
published in peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous 
assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was 
bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published. 





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