On 10/11/2014 01:56 PM, salyavin808 wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <noozguru@...> wrote :
On 10/11/2014 12:20 PM, salyavin808 wrote:
<mailto:noozguru@...> wrote :
What worries is me that you have such a disconnect from the
people that run the US that you actually think they would murder
thousands of their own people for reasons best known to themselves.
Whoa, Jack! You're half reading me. I'm not alleging that our
politicians conspired to pull off 9-11. It's a shadow government
that many people in the US believe exists (and probably many folks
in the UK believe about your own government). Killing thousands
would rile up Americans (and believe me the days following they
were insanely riled) to support anything the government asked if
it involved retaliation. So Arab terrorists did 9-11 and we go
off and bomb Afghanistan and Iraq. Shouldn't we have bombed Saudi
Arabia instead? Something wrong with that picture?
But the hijackers weren't working for the Saudi government.
You know this how? Supposedly the 28 pages redacted from the Official
911 Report say otherwise. Some members of Congress who have read those
pages want them released to the public.
The organisers lived in Afghanistan and we just knocked off Iraq
for the hell of it. Been after an excuse for years.
Yup, Rumsfeld even has been quoted as asking if there was a way to tie
Saddam to 9-11. But then I've mentioned I heard in the late 1990s the
military was preparing for a war in the middle east. They just needed a
"new Pearl Harbor" even if they did it themselves.
For the record I opposed wars of empire as any sane thinking American
BTW, for some reason a lot of people who worked at the WTC were
told to stay home that day.
There's a kind of movement like that in the UK about the Islamic
terrorist that blew up some tube trains a decade ago. The story
goes that the government knew about it but let it happen because
it would be an excuse to rachet up the anti-terror laws, which
completely coincidentally can also be used to harass innocent
people whenever the state feels like it.
The UK subway bombings indeed smell of a false flag. These types
of operations have been around for centuries but I guess that
history wasn't your favorite subject?
I think you've lost it. Can you tell fact from fiction any more?
Too much TV perhaps, it's hard to tell sometimes, except the news
doesn't have happy endings.
Why couldn't it have been a false flag? I bet you swallowed the
propaganda hook line and sinker.
I don't believe it for the simple fact that however cynical
politicians get it's their own friends and family that might get
blown up. You don't seem to have that sort of human link, sure
the govt in the US has blood on its hands but the 9/11
conspiracies are qualitatively different from interfering in the
politics of left wing countries or suppressing anti-capitalist
demonstrations. It isn't a quantitative thing at all.
See my above comment.
I think it's the conspiracists that react emotionally, something
unbelievable happens and the dots get joined up irrationally,
anything to make it make sense that doesn't just mean the world
is so dangerous a bunch of religious fruitcakes can walk onto
planes in America and fly them into public buildings. I'd hate to
live in a country where I thought the government would actually
blow me up as an excuse for starting a war in a third world
country, some of the residents of which had already made some
bold attacks on the US - unless they were conspiracies too.
In the 1960s they wanted to send us young guys off to the rice
paddies of Vietnam to get our asses shot off. Gulf of Tonkin is a
confirmed false flag to gain public support. The poor Vietnamese
just wanted their country back after centuries of domination by
foreign powers. Now we do trade with them. Go figger.
Because of the crap you can find on youtube, I know people who
actually think ISIS and Al Queda don't exist at all and were
created so the "west" can clamp down on personal freedom. We
realists know they just used the 9/11 and 7/7 bombings as an
excuse for that.....
This history of Al Qaeda is well known from their existence as
Mujahideen and supported by our CIA to fight against the Russians
in Afghanistan. They've now morphed into ISIS.
Erm, that's what I've said here many times. It's the conspiracy
theorists who've taken it too far. Not me.
That's history pal. Look it up! Or are you afraid to?
Some of us weren't born yesterday. BTW, when is it you turn 1? :-D
I'm guessing this is some derision at challenging ideas yes?
Or just kidding you. Like another pint?