Bhairitu: "He's not the only guru by a long shot who thought the mantras came 
about by trial and error instead of being "cognized".  So they were 
"recognized" instead."

 I look to science when credible research is available. However, lots of life 
does not (yet) have substantial numbers of of peer-reviewed double blind 
studies (if applicable) to help validate a hypothesis. 

 For me, another source of (some) validation, is the fruits of evolutionary 
advantage. Whether in insight was cognized, or recognized,  seen under the 
influence, or in dreams, deduced, or brainstormed, etc, is not key. The core 
question is whether some traditional practice (medicinal, health, spiritual, 
psychological, artistic, customs, rituals) provided some evolutionary advantage 
over 100s of not 1000's of generations. 

 That is, on day 1, who knows, it may have been a "Life of Brian" type scene, 
of 1000 different crazy and diverse "truths" being pronounced -- no matter how 
derived. However, some groups (families, tribes, villages, cultures, etc) 
survived, others did not. 

 Undoubtedly, some instances of "success" were undoubtedly random. Spurious 
correlations (of which some great and beautiful examples were posted by someone 
the other day.) A FEW actually (may have had) a causal effect whereby A did (a 
majority of the time) result in B (particularly if you did it with C and D 
co-factors, etc). . 

 The statistical probability that a particular intervention (ritual, custom, 
practice) provided some survival (affluence, success, well-being) value gets 
stronger with each successive generation of "practicioners". Over time, over 
many generations, practices based on spurious correlations become less. 
Practices with some causal power increase. Over 100's of generations, the 
probability of some sustained cultural practice being a fluke, a random 
outcome, a spurious correlation), becomes smaller.

 And over 100's of generations, I presume many variations of rituals, customs, 
practices etc were tweaked and outcomes observed. More successful variations 
were sustained, others dropped off. 


 Edison said he never failed when attempting to develop a new technology, but 
he did find 10,000 things that did not work.   The process of evolution 
advantage might be viewed in  similar vein.   1000's of variations of ritual, 
practices, customs were conducted, over 100's of generations. Many were found 
to not work and were discarded, and the few success stories were kept and 
passed on to subsequent generations. These successful practices provided an 
evolutionary advantage to these particular groups, families, villages, tribes 
or networks. They tended to succeed and flourish while others, not using that 
particular practice, ritual, custom  did less so, or eventually fizzled out.  

 Someone once quipped  "God [or Nature] created Karma and then retired". An 
alternative hypothesis is that God [Nature] created Evolutionary Advantage and  
and then retired. (Outside the box, perhaps karma is a tool of evolutionary 
advantage, or vv.) 



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