It is an opinion, not a statement of fact when you state what you do about the 
NIH.  They are different things - opinions and facts, I'm sure you know. 

 Or if you don't, it might be a good place for you to start when trying to sort 
things out.
 

 Good luck!
 

 Let me know if I can help.
 

 
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote :

 You have not addressed how my statement is inaccurate (You can't, because it 
isn't) nor have you addressed why you need to continue to defend an 
organization that has a long track record of lies and deception and its founder 
and the technique itself when you no longer do the technique, nor its 
"advanced" programs and don't teach it anymore. 

 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 10:14 AM
 Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
 
 
   Oh, Holy Mother of Jesus. 
 

 So, let me get this straight.  The TMO is a lying organization from gitgo.  
(or so you say).  We know the rest, right, Marshy, old goat, ladeda deda.  The 
same diatribe you pour out several times a day.
 

 But, you are saying, that because you view the TMO as a disreputable 
organization, you now have the right to make inflammatory, inaccurate, partial 
truth statement about same organization.
 

 Believe me.  I know that makes sense to you.  
 

 But, ...........................what was it you were saying about mental 
problems?
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote :

 What a double standard fool you are - you are asking me or anyone else to make 
objective statements about the TM or the TMO??? When has the TMO ever done 
that? With them its all about telling over the top lies to make money and you 
who claim not to even meditate much anymore have to defend them? You got mental 
problems that just won't quit. 

 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 8:36 AM
 Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
 
 
   Michael,
 

 You can't be trusted to make any kind of objective statement regarding TM.
 

 If it were to your advantage to praise the NIH in some regard, you would do so.
 

 You have no in-depth knowledge of the studies you cite below.
 

 On the surface, they look frivolous, but you have no idea if some real benefit 
may have come from them.
 

 Again, your only interest in citing those studies, is a means to discredit TM.
 

 And your case is weak in this instance, and often quite skewed (to say the 
least) in the other instances you come up with on a daily basis.
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote :

 Address what I said to him. How is that stupid? I showed quite clearly that he 
is a liar. The NIH hands out money to just about anyone who can write a grant 
proposal. You might even be able to get a few million to study why TM'er are 
more predisposed to become slavish minded dumbasses later in life. But in the 
final analysis society will be better off studying the way South Africans wash 
their balls than bullshit studies on TM's weak and non-existent "benefits" - 
most of TM's modern benefits are lining the TMO's pockets. 

 

 From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 9:29 PM
 Subject: Re: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
 
 
   Michael,
 

 Did you become this stupid because you stopped your practice of TM and the 
TMSP?
 

 You brain is addled by TM, but not in the way you think.
 

 Try something.  I don't know what.  But try to develop an interest other than 
TM.
 

 You are sinking into utter idiocy.
 

 P.S.  Try looking back at some of your more early posts.  Occasionally you had 
something interesting to say.
 

 A funny thing happened on the way to forum.  But in your case, it's just no so 
funny!
 

 
 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote :

 One more note, Mr. Nameless Director of Operations, your assertion on funding 
by the NIH -  "to be funded by the NIH, rigorous assessment is performed by 
highly experienced scientists. If the research was bogus or deeply flawed, the 
research would not be funded or published."
 

 This is, quite honestly complete bullshit. All one has to do to get funding by 
the NIH is to know how to write a grant proposal. That's it. 
 

 Here are just a few things the NIH has funded over the years, some of them 
nearly as stupid as funding research on TM.
 

  The National Institutes of Health paid researchers $400,000 to find out why 
gay men in Argentina engage in risky sexual behavior when they are drunk.
 

 Researchers at Indiana University's Kinsey Institute, funded by NIH, 
investigated why “young heterosexual adult men have problems using condoms.” 
Price tag? $423,500, according to NIH records. 

 

 The NIH also once spent $442,000 to study the behavior of male prostitutes in 
Vietnam.
 

 The NIH once spent $800,000 in “stimulus funds” to study the impact of a 
“genital-washing program” on men in South Africa.
 

 I realize that your much vaunted master Mahesh Prasad lied like a dog all the 
time, so it could be you are lying "as is our tradition" but for your own sake, 
at least make the prevarications somewhat credible. 

 

 From: "infor cwae infocwae@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> 
 Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 3:49 PM
 Subject: 399652Re: [FairfieldLife] The Happiest school in San Francisco
 
 
   I am the Director of Operations for the school meditation project in San 
Francisco that uses TM, where the students were found to be the happiest in the 
city. I would like to try and correct some misunderstandings that may have 
occurred as a result of certain comments made here recently. 
 

  1. There is a post that suggest we 'stole' couches from a one of the high 
schools we worked in. 
 

 This is incorrect. We purchase used couches from outside sources, specifically 
for the Quiet Time program. We own them.
  
 2. That the windows and doors in the rooms we used at a high school were 
papered over so that no one could see in, and that the school had to remove the 
papering after we left.
  
 A single door to a small room was partially papered only during training 
sessions to reduce the distraction from other students walking by during 
passing period. This paper was taken down each day, and was not remaining after 
the meditation training staff left the school.
  
 3. That we had been kicked out of at least 2 schools in SF since Jan of this 
year.
  
 One school decided to discontinue the Quiet Time program at the end of the 
spring semester due primarily to a vote from faculty regarding time 
constraints. There are many schools throughout CA and nationally requesting the 
program, so we only work with those that are able to fit it into their 
schedule. After providing this to 7,000 students, teachers, parents and 
administrators for the last 7 years, we have had over a 90% program 
satisfaction rating. An extremely small minority of parents, teachers and 
administrators have had issues with the program, usually because of biases or 
misunderstandings.
  
 4. That most of the research referenced by the TM organization is "either 
bogus or deeply flawed"
  
 
 There are over 100 studies on TM published in reputable, peer reviewed 
scientific journals indicating various positive mental and physical health 
effects. Research has been done at Stanford, Harvard, University of California 
and other reputable institutions. The National Institutes of Health (NIH) has 
funded over 24M worth of research into TM and heart health. In order to be 
published in peer reviewed journals or to be funded by the NIH, rigorous 
assessment is performed by highly experienced scientists. If the research was 
bogus or deeply flawed, the research would not be funded or published. 
 



 














 














 














 


 












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