Duveyoung posted a video of Ken O’keefe, and I followed up watching another O’keefe video on 9/11. Bhairitu posted a number of points on 9/11 assumptions.
Not having looked at 9/11 for some time, and knowing the government has deceived, mischaracterized, hid. distorted and fabricated many events and points about the Middle East, I researched further to find substantiation of these points and/or alternative views. . Here is a summary of points that I have thus far found. As of yet, I don't hold any of the points or counterpoints as conclusive. For my own education, I will continue to investigate – and add clarifications and corrections to the following list when warranted. And add more points as they arise. I welcome anyone interested in a rational discussion of these points and counter points, as well as further credible evidence that sheds light on the US and foreign governments’ and any parties involved in the actual events or possible distortion of facts and cover-up. I have no agenda other than gaining a better understanding of what lies beneath the surface of conventional wisdom. Q1) Would Boeing 767 jet airliners flying into the WTC have the same destructive impact as a propeller B-25 flying into the Empire State Building? Construction: · The Empire State Building is a heavier, steel-framed structure with movement-resisting bolted or riveted connections: such that every joint resists bending moments and wind forces and the load from any failed/ damaged columns can be redistributed. · The WTC's steel framed-tube is designed to resist bending from wind. but its core steel columns primarily only support downward loads. Size · A B-25 is twin-engine World War II http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/World_War_II bomber estimated at 9,750 kg flying 320 kph. · A Boeing 767 is around 10 times larger at 90,000 kg flying at twice the speed (750 kph- 950 kph). Estimates of the B-25 had 40 million kilojoules of kinetic energy on impact while the 767 had 175 3 billion kilojoules, Fuel · The B-25 was powered by high-octane gasoline and carried far less fuel than a 767, fuel by more flammable jet fuel.. Q2) Was impact sufficient for the WTC to collapse, or were detonations necessary? · The burning temperatures of jet fuel would not itself melt the steel support structure of the WTC. The NIST concluded that the WTC’s steel was not melted, but rather that it was weakened by the heat, and together with the damage caused by the planes' impacts, caused the collapses. . · The buildings fell symmetrically in their own footprints due to material fatigue at and above the fire and impact floors causing the upper floors to detach and fall through lower undamaged sections. · It took 50 -100 minutes for the fires to weaken the structure to the point that the towers could not resist the energy released by the downward movement of the massive top section of the building . · The NIST concluded that damage to perimeter support columns initiated the detachment of the floors at and above the fire and impact floors, which subsequently fell into and through the towers. Q 3) Was WTC-7 demolished by order of the WTC 7’s owner, Larry Silverstein. · The National Institute of Standards and Technology's (NIST) 2006 Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation of the World Trade Center Disaster report that the reasons for the WTC 7 collapse include: 1) debris from the collapse of WTC 1, which was 370 feet to the south, ignited fires on at least 10 floors in the building at its south and west faces. and, 2 the WTC 7 had been seriously compromised by a 20-story gash in one corner facing Ground Zero, and by the time the evacuation order was given was visibly sagging. Q 4) Did WTC Owner Larry Silverstein profit from insuring the Twin Towers just prior 9/11? · Silverstein bought the WTC a year or so before the crash and insured them and was paid approximately $4.6 billion after insurance litigation. However, the total cost of the towers was around $7 billion or more. Q 5) How did a plane 125 ft. wide and 155 ft. long only create 60 ft. wide hole when it crashed into the Pentagon.? · The Pentagon is a reinforced concrete building with blast-resistant windows. · It was struck by an aluminum-skinned commercial aircraft that had already lost a wing before hitting the building. · The damage is consistent with this scenario. Mete Sozen, a professor of civil engineering at Purdue University http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purdue_University: "A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building. When Flight 77 hit the Pentagon, one wing hit the ground and the other was sheared off by the Pentagon's load-bearing columns. · According to Architecture Week http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArchitectureWeek, the reason the Pentagon took relatively little damage from the impact was because Wedge One had recently been renovated. (This was part of a renovation program which had been begun in the 1980s, and Wedge One was the first of five to be renovated.) Q 6) Was the Pentagon was hit by a missile not a 767. · An aircraft is known to have gone missing, the wreckage of the same aircraft was found at the Pentagon, including the Flight 77's black boxes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_box, the nose cone, landing gear, an airplane tire, and an intact cockpit seat. · The remains of passengers from Flight 77 were indeed found at the Pentagon crash site and their identities confirmed by DNA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA analysis · Many eyewitnesses saw the plane strike the Pentagon. · Flight 77 passengers made phone calls reporting that their airplane had been hijacked. Including TV News commentator Barbara Olson who called her husband (U.S. Solicitor General Theodore Olson http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_Olson) and said that the flight had been hijacked, and that the hijackers had knives and box cutters http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box_cutters. · the damage was what structural engineers expected from such a strike. · Pentagon security cameras and the Virginia Department of Transportation released on May 16, 2006,that shows American Airlines flight 77 crashing into the Pentagon.