Shrug. We have no idea what American Indian civilization would be like 500+ 
years later. 

 And certainly, ISIS is a primitive, violent group of thugs by modern standards.

 My only point is that you don't have to go very far back to see the same kind 
of behavior from the West, so the sense of smug superiority I get from some 
people is not particuarly supportable.

 Certainly, it's not terribly useful. We have to work with moderate Muslims to 
solve the issues, and the "we're so much better than the ragheads" attitude 
isn't helping any.



---In, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 Sounds like you're justifying ISIS's  actions. True, that was typical of 
conquering armies in the past due to the practicality of waging war. However we 
consider our selves a *bit* more civilized today. We don't target innocent 
civilians, force them to convert and then kill them anyway, we don't steel 
supplies, we buy it if we don't bring it and we observe a uniform code of  
military conduct observed by almost all nations. <BTW, we took nothing material 
from the Native Americans. Even they said *nobody owned the land*, so it wasn't 
theirs either by their own logic. We did give them about 24 dollars and some 
beads for Manhattan and perpetual welfare for  next to eternity along with a 
reservation if they wanted to stay there. Not saying it was a good deal for 
NAs, but it was the best that could offered at the time. Had Europeans never 
made it to the Americas, they, NAs, would still be living in the stone age 
today, chasing buffalo herds on foot, living in *harmony* with nature, and 
killing each other over hunting grounds. Some times *change* requires a phase 

 On Saturday, October 11, 2014 8:24 PM, "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]" 
<> wrote:

   Christian Crusaders did the same thing, and don't fool yourself, if 
Americans ever "conquered" a country, we'd do the same thing too.

 Ask any American Indian tribe if you need examples.


---In, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :

 They're supplied the same way Mohammed supplied his *army*. They just take 
whatever they want, wherever they go. Whether it's money from banks, food from 
stockpiles, or weapons, ammunition and transportation from Iraqi army bases. 
This is your Islamic *work ethic*. Real work is for mensches.

 On Saturday, October 11, 2014 2:18 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... 
[FairfieldLife]" <> wrote:

 On 10/11/2014 2:42 PM, jr_esq@... mailto:jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

   Something is wrong with the US generals' assessment of ISIS.  

 There is no good news coming out of the Middle East - the U.S. supports the 
Saudis who are Shite Muslims; and at the same time Iranians support the Shiite 
in Baghdad. But, the ISIS are Sunnis who hate everyone, Muslim and infidel 
alike. Then, there's Assad to deal with. The only bright spot over there is 
Israel, the only democracy in the whole Middle East. Go figure.
 How is it possible for the militants to continue fighting in Iraq and Syria 
with supposedly only 30,000 fighters?

 It appears that the militant rebels in or near Baghdad are self-sufficient to 
fight on their own without help from their Syrian headquarters.  So, that means 
they're getting food, supplies and ammunition within Baghdad itself.

 I wouldn't be surprised if a secret faction within the ISF is providing the 
weapons and ammunition to fight the loyal troopers of Iraq.

 "Without large numbers of American troops on the ground in Iraq, we lack the 
ability to choose targets, to rebuild the capacity of the Iraqi Army quickly 
and successfully, to constrain the Shiite government from pursuing a sectarian 
agenda. Without large numbers of troops in Syria, we are unable to distinguish 
between friend and foe, to train and direct non-Qaeda opposition forces, to 
address the humanitarian crisis, and to prepare for—and hasten—a world without 
Bashar Assad."
 'Only American ground troops can defeat the Islamic State'
 The Washington Free Beacon:
mailto:punditster@... mailto:punditster@... wrote :
 Our side is suffering serious defeats on the battlefield in Anbar province and 
Baghdad is ripe for infiltration. Then, it's a guerrilla war in the streets 
with up close and personal close range fighting.
 According to President Obama, it's a war against the Islamic State, but who 
are they? The goal is to roll back the IS in Iraq and contain it in Syria. 
Soon, Turkey will be pulled into the fight - the ISIS are at the gates today, 
tomorrow Istanbul and onwards to Rome.
 "With the outlying suburb of Abu Ghraib teetering on completely falling to 
ISIS, if the area comes under complete control of the Islamists, the Americans 
will be within easy range of ISIS artillery."
 'ISIS reaches Baghdad suburbs, US troops block the way to BGW Int'l Airport'





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