--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ingegerd" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > on 11/12/05 10:56 PM, wmurphy77 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
> > > 
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >> 
> > > >> on 11/12/05 9:33 PM, wmurphy77 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> > wrote:
> > > >> 
> > > >>> To think that the primary technique of TM would EVER take 
a 
> > back
> > > > seat
> > > >>> to Haglin's pseudo-scientific Siddhi's program is amazing 
to 
> > me.
> > > >> 
> > > >> Why are you attributing ownership or authorship of the Sidhi
> > > > program to
> > > >> Hagelin? Hagelin wasn't a major player in the movement when
> > > > Maharishi came
> > > >> out with the sidhi program. Sounds to me like you're trying 
to
> > > > shift blame
> > > >> away from Maharishi. Common mistake. He calls the shots and 
> > always
> > > > has. Deal
> > > >> with it.
> > > > 
> > > > I'm implying that MMY has swallowed Hagelin's research 
> > as 'proof'!  I
> > > > think the jury is still out as to the relative numbers 
required 
> > to
> > > > create such an effect. I realize that it was at the 
suggestion
> > > > of 'another' yogi (apparently) that MMY came out with this 
> > totally
> > > > premature yogic flying, etc. MMY really thinks you only need 
the
> > > > square root of 1% of the population (yada, yada) to shift 
> trends 
> > in
> > > > the world...BASED ON HAGELIN'S RESEARCH! Who's the Yogi and 
> > who's the
> > > > chela now???  Hummm, think about it, it explains everything!
> > > 
> > > The way I heard the story, it was the Shankaracharya, or the 
guy 
> > MMY was
> > > propping up as the Shankaracharya (I can't begin to keep the 
> > details of that
> > > whole mess straight) who suggested to MMY, during a quick trip 
to 
> > India
> > > during the Fiuggi course, that he offer something more to the 
> > Westerners. So
> > > Maharishi pulled out a copy of the Yoga Sutras and began 
> > experimenting on
> > > half a dozen of the M-group types around him (I got this 
account 
> > from one of
> > > them). The sidhis didn't come out until 1977. The 1% effect 
came 
> > out when
> > > Domash was reigning physicist in 1974. There was a campaign in 
> the 
> > UK in
> > > which one of the slogans was "you can be one of the 99 if you 
can 
> > get one of
> > > your friends to be the one." Square root of 1% came out soon 
> after 
> > the
> > > sidhis, and Domash or Hagelin was physicist at that point. It 
was 
> > still
> > > Domash until about 1980. Anyway, I think the theory preceded 
the 
> > research.
> > > In other words, the theory of 1% or square root of 1% was 
bandied 
> > about
> > > before any societal testing was done. And Maharishi spent 
> > countless hours
> > > discussing this and lecturing about it. It's not like it was 
> > foisted on him
> > > by cunning physicists. As always, he was calling the shots. He 
> was 
> > tickled
> > > pink to get a theory that would absolve him from having to get 
> 10% 
> > of the
> > > world's population meditating, or even 1%. Anyway, I don't 
think 
> > this
> > > particular point has much to do with the failure of the 
movement. 
> > Although
> > > the advent of the sidhis sure scared off a lot of respectable 
> > folks who were
> > > beginning to take it seriously.
> > 
> > A group of Norwegian TM-Teachers, including me, did learn the TM-
> > Sidhi-Techniques in 1978 directly from MMY, for free. MMY gave 
us 
> > the techniques and explained how they worked. Nandkishore was 
> > sometimes with him. Once we asked a question to Nandkishore: If 
we 
> > do not have time to do the whole program, what should we give 
> > priority". His answer was: "The Asanas and the Pranayama". I did 
> not 
> > understand why he did not say "The TM-Sidhi-Techniques". Every 
> month 
> > we did send our experiences with the TM-Sidhi-Program to MMY, 
not 
> > always telling the truth. It was some kind of Mass-Hypnosis - 
> always 
> > waiting to fly in the air. But we did not pay for the courses - 
so 
> > maybe we were among the students that MMY tried out the program 
> > with. 
> > Ingegerd
> > >
> >
> 
> Huh, I would think it would be TM first, not asanas, since that is 
> what people were taught prior to the sidhis..
>
What you think is one thing - what Nandkishore said is another 
thing. I was wondering myself why he did not mention TM and TM-Sidhi-
technique.
Ingegerd






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