On 10/12/2014 1:33 PM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Shrug. We have no idea what American Indian civilization would be like
500+ years later.
>
/Non sequitur. The U.S. and its allies had won the war against al Qaeda
in Iraq, according to Obama and Biden. Now just a year later we've lost
everything. /
"America's plans to fight Islamic State are in ruins as the militant
group's fighters come close to capturing Kobani and have inflicted a
heavy defeat on the Iraqi army west of Baghdad. The US-led air attacks
launched against Islamic State (also known as Isis) on 8 August in Iraq
and 23 September in Syria have not worked."
'War against Isis: US strategy in tatters as militants march on'
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/war-against-isis-us-strategy-in-tatters-as-militants-march-on-9789230.html
>
And certainly, ISIS is a primitive, violent group of thugs by modern
standards.
My only point is that you don't have to go very far back to see the
same kind of behavior from the West, so the sense of smug superiority
I get from some people is not particuarly supportable.
Certainly, it's not terribly useful. We have to work with moderate
Muslims to solve the issues, and the "we're so much better than the
ragheads" attitude isn't helping any.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
Sounds like you're justifying ISIS's actions. True, that was typical
of conquering armies in the past due to the practicality of waging
war. However we consider our selves a *bit* more civilized today. We
don't target innocent civilians, force them to convert and then kill
them anyway, we don't steel supplies, we buy it if we don't bring it
and we observe a uniform code of military conduct observed by almost
all nations. <BTW, we took nothing material from the Native Americans.
Even they said *nobody owned the land*, so it wasn't theirs either by
their own logic. We did give them about 24 dollars and some beads for
Manhattan and perpetual welfare for next to eternity along with a
reservation if they wanted to stay there. Not saying it was a good
deal for NAs, but it was the best that could offered at the time. Had
Europeans never made it to the Americas, they, NAs, would still be
living in the stone age today, chasing buffalo herds on foot, living
in *harmony* with nature, and killing each other over hunting grounds.
Some times *change* requires a phase transition.
On Saturday, October 11, 2014 8:24 PM, "LEnglish5@... [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
Christian Crusaders did the same thing, and don't fool yourself, if
Americans ever "conquered" a country, we'd do the same thing too.
Ask any American Indian tribe if you need examples.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mdixon.6569@...> wrote :
They're supplied the same way Mohammed supplied his *army*. They just
take whatever they want, wherever they go. Whether it's money from
banks, food from stockpiles, or weapons, ammunition and
transportation from Iraqi army bases. This is your Islamic *work
ethic*. Real work is for mensches.
On Saturday, October 11, 2014 2:18 PM, "'Richard J. Williams'
punditster@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
On 10/11/2014 2:42 PM, jr_esq@... <mailto:jr_esq@...> [FairfieldLife]
wrote:
Something is wrong with the US generals' assessment of ISIS.
>
/There is no good news coming out of the Middle East - the
U.S. supports the Saudis who are Shite Muslims; and at the
same time Iranians support the Shiite in Baghdad. But, the
ISIS are Sunnis who hate everyone, Muslim and infidel alike.
Then, there's Assad to deal with. The only bright spot over
there is Israel, the only democracy in the whole Middle East.
Go figure.
>
/
How is it possible for the militants to continue fighting in
Iraq and Syria with supposedly only 30,000 fighters?
It appears that the militant rebels in or near Baghdad are
self-sufficient to fight on their own without help from their
Syrian headquarters. So, that means they're getting food,
supplies and ammunition within Baghdad itself.
I wouldn't be surprised if a secret faction within the ISF is
providing the weapons and ammunition to fight the loyal
troopers of Iraq.
>
/"Without large numbers of American troops on the ground in
Iraq, we lack the ability to choose targets, to rebuild the
capacity of the Iraqi Army quickly and successfully, to
constrain the Shiite government from pursuing a sectarian
agenda. Without large numbers of troops in Syria, we are
unable to distinguish between friend and foe, to train and
direct non-Qaeda opposition forces, to address the
humanitarian crisis, and to prepare for—and hasten—a world
without Bashar Assad."/
'Only American ground troops can defeat the Islamic State'
The Washington Free Beacon:
http://freebeacon.com/columns/accept-no-substitutes/
>
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>, mailto:punditster@...
wrote :
/Our side is suffering serious defeats on the battlefield in
Anbar province and Baghdad is ripe for infiltration. Then,
it's a guerrilla war in the streets with up close and
personal close range fighting.//
//
//According to President Obama, it's a war against the
Islamic State, but who are they? The goal is to roll back the
IS in Iraq and contain it in Syria. Soon, Turkey will be
pulled into the fight - the ISIS are at the gates today,
tomorrow Istanbul and onwards to Rome./
"With the outlying suburb of Abu Ghraib teetering on
completely falling to ISIS, if the area comes under complete
control of the Islamists, the Americans will be within easy
range of ISIS artillery."
/'ISIS reaches Baghdad suburbs, US troops block the way to
BGW Int'l Airport'/
http://www.examiner.com/article/isis-reaches-baghdad-suburbs-us-troops-block-the-way-to-bgw-int-l-airport
