Its the whole ball of wax. TM just doesn't measure up to the hype they make for it. It is a moderately effective meditation that many teachers say has a dropout rate of up to 90% in the first few months.
It doesn't produce enlightened people, which is one of the reasons the Movement no longer advertises that it will lead to enlightenment. The practice often leads to mental/emotional problems, which is one of the downsides I think Rick is ignoring when he says the Movement is doing good in the world. I agree that some seem to benefit from it, but to see the entire effect, one has to look at the whole picture and to ignore those who have mental and emotional problems that even lead to suicide is to ignore the whole effect of TM on the population of the world. I don't know of other meditations that can lead to the unstressing you have with TM. In addition the absurd mental states the Movement actively encourages that Sal has commented on leads a lot of people to having major life problems with health, relationships and money. When you encourage people to believe whatever the Movement tells you, when they claim a man has a cigarette addiction because he's a siddha and is self referral and expect you to believe it they are engaging in mind manipulation and really encouraging people to be psychotic or to put it more nicely teaching them to be mind numbed sheep holding their wallets out to the Movement. This is not doing good in the world. They love to sell TM by implying that if you do TM, you will be as successful as the celebrities they love to parade before the cameras on David Lynch fund raisers. They ignore the rough edges of some of them like Lynch, Brand and Stern. They absolutely ignore and hide from the enormities of people like Robin Carlsen, Andy Rhymer, Stephen Collins, Bloomfield, Wallace's ex-wife who shot a woman during program in Los Angeles, Shuvender Shem who murdered Levi Butler right in Annapurna dining hall at MUM. Let's look at the whole picture. I appreciate much Rick has done on many levels but I think he is still wearing blinders about Marshy and about the Movement. Let's look at the whole picture. Look at all the people who say TM is an asset, look at those who think it is a fine thing and then look with the same objective view at those who say it ruined their lives, that it screwed them up in many ways. Both camps are telling the truth. One is not right and the other wrong. Both things are true. Look objectively at both sides, both camps and you have a picture of a meditation technique that taken in moderation and not expecting too much from it will yield positive results for some. When it is taught in the WAY MARSHY himself taught it and the way the Movement continues to teach it it is definitely doing damage to the world. Take out the lies, the bullshit and the Hindu superstitions and practices and its ok, otherwise not so ok. ________________________________ From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 I'm curious, how would you feel about TM if it was today only $125 and maybe taught over a weekend workshop? Or maybe even the first technique free? What bothers you more the money or the supposed link to 'Hinduism'? On 10/13/2014 09:27 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: >I am curious how you feel it is "doing good in the world" when it has thrived >off of lies, misinformation and the cultish beliefs and antics it has used for >decades? Do you mean just by the fact it still teaches TM to folks who were >not meditators before? > > > > >________________________________ > From: "'Rick Archer' r...@searchsummit.com [FairfieldLife]" > <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 11:15 AM >Subject: RE: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 > > > > > > > > >From:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com [mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com] On >Behalf Of nablusoss1008 >Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 3:36 AM >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 > > >It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken >the Movement. >I have no such strategy. I just forward stuff that’s relevant to FFL. That >includes stuff from Hagelin, Orme-Johnson, etc. I wish the movement well. I >think it’s doing a lot of good in the world. But it will only thrive if it >conducts itself with honesty and integrity and purges itself from cultish >nonsense, much of which was introduced by MMY. > >