---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old UK TM 
teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt 
of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but there isn't much they (Vlodrop) 
can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi).  
That is interesting. 40,000 TM teachers out there in the world trained by 
Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM 
legal department sharp-shoots old individuals continuing to teach TM as they 
were taught to teach as an infringement but this particular group of UK 
scorpion TM teachers stuck together and withstands the new TM legal department 
together. The Maharishi Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a 
trademark infringement law firm on retainer now in the USA as they hunt down 
old TM teachers teaching outside the TM teacher re-certification project, a 
project that came post Maharishi or at the end to have old teachers come in and 
sign papers again restricting their teaching. Apparently the group of UK TM 
teachers exist extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck together. Damned 

 That's so badly written I can't tell if the damned scorpions are the ones 
continuing to teach the way they were taught to, or if they're the re-certified 
legal department trying to stop them.

 Given your love of transcending I would have thought you'd just be happy that 
more people are getting the chance to try it. Maybe you get upset because it 
skews the coherence numbers and you know that makes it less likely that the 
Marshy Effect works because there are prolly twice as many people meditating as 
you thought. No need to call for more people in the domes if we should all be 
floating anyway huh?

 Or maybe it's because they deprive the national office with money, but you're 
always complaining about the way they run things anyway. And just think, the 
fewer people in the official TMO the fewer there are being conned into forking 
out the readies for the yagya programme or the thousand headed bone-idle mug 
punters who'd be a lot better off getting a job and paying their own way in 

 I remember the first re-certification course, your opinion of it's purpose may 
differ but it seemed like just another way of screwing the faithful out of 
their last few meagre savings. Did you know people were sitting the domes 
crying at the sheer pointless waste of time and money as the bigwigs viciously 
fleeced them in return for astoundingly useful and unique information like how 
to open a bank account? And all so they could continue to practise something 
that they'd paid a fortune and devoted their lives to many years before.

 Only time will tell which group has whatever it is that appeals to the masses, 
the faux Hindoo certified TMO or the faux Hindoo non-certified but completely 
identical ex-TMO. 

 Did you think the age of enlightenment was going to be as entertaining as this?



 steve.sundur wrote :
 Sal, ..  Your strict adherence to everything science has dulled your 
sensitivity to nuance. 

 You've got that knee jerk, TM bash move down pat.

 mjackson74@...> wrote : 
 Sal says they do and their web presence speaks to it as well. But I will defer 
to Sal on this he is in a position to know.


 Sal writing:

 It's a good question, there are a few teaching in various places, The 
Meditation Trust is probably the best known as they were the guys who quit when 
Marshy put the price up so high it put them out of business. They have a few 
centres and hold courses in a country house where they teach the TMSP too. 

 The TM official are always taking legal action against them but there isn't 
much they can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy. 

 I know people who go on their courses, they always tell me that I musn't 
mention it to people in the movement, which says it all about the TMO really. 
The same guy was telling me that someone asked him if it was true that people 
get brainwashed in the TMO, he said of course not. 

 Anyway, they seem to be doing well and actually making money out of it which 
is the TM teachers dream, but then they don't have to give half to the TMO. Bad 
feelings about that too I shouldn't wonder.

 From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 10:11 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
   Michael: note the highlighted part of my post below. A schism requires that 
the split off group has a coherent organization. I don't know if the initiators 
in England have this.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote :

 the Movement already split - don't forget the renegade initiators in England


 From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:56 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30
   Species, Corporations, Religions, Cults, as is the nature of change, always, 
if they persist, break apart or become extinct. A schism is always eventually 
in the cards for the TM movement. It is said shortly after his death, the 
followers of Buddha broke into some two dozen different sects. You can see how 
Christianity split over time. There seem to be fewer splits among Muslims, 
perhaps a reflection of the dark ferocity of their memes. The Mormons, barely a 
religion after 150 years, have split six times. And look at all the different 
Hindu flavours. It is almost a no-brainer prediction that the TM movement will 
at some point split. *Already there are many teachers in various countries 
teaching outside the movement purview.* 

 I would say that movements in which the participants are unable to think for 
themselves are likely to cohere together longer than those in which mental 
freedom and expression are given freer reign. Onward Lemmings!

 Rick does not have to do anything to weaken the movement, it will break 
naturally of its own accord, it is already frayed around the edges. While you 
might try to do something to arrest progress, eventually you will fail. That is 
the nature of evolution.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :


 It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken 
the Movement.


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <rick@...> wrote :

 An organizer asked me to post this.
 www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/ 


 Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself.


 One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be focused on 
"assessing its content" (i.e., whoever the source may be is far less relevant). 

 Ask yourself on November 30th:


 1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life? 

 2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and use it. 
If not, then don't. 

 That should always be the test. On the individual level. 


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