And this doesn't even start to consider whether the collected papers are actually valuable to science or not. A lot of people who read the papers don't think much of TM research at all. Some of the later stuff may be of value but a lot of it is crap, the Marshy Effect stuff in particular.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote : This is outrageous! Of course the scientific research applies to both schools. They are teaching the same thing! Do you think Newtons laws of gravity, discovered when he was at Cambridge, shouldn't be studied at Oxford? Of course not, knowledge belongs to everyone and no one. When you do science you add (or hope to) to the endless store of man's knowledge about himself and the world. That is the point of it, it doesn't exist just as cheap advertising to further the aims of special interest groups no matter how reliant you are on it. This a genuine low point for the TMO, they should come to their senses and retract this lawsuit, you cannot copyright science (in a sane world) It's done for the betterment of all mankind. They are destined to lose and look like a bunch of greedy corporate lowlifes. The only way they'll be able to convince anyone is if they demonstrate that Knoles isn't teaching TM anymore. Which they won't obviously. Whether the teachers that taught in the studies were "certified" by the TMO is irrelevant to whether the research is accurate, anyone can use the findings of science to enrich or criticise, add to their own ideas or debunk. If King Tony and "raja" Hagelin have any scientific curiosity left in them they would censure this legal cocksucker and send him back to whatever slime pit he crawled from. What next Buck, suing people here for having opinions that are contrary to the accepted "right" way of thinking? If you aren't careful you may get what you wish for and the TMO will end up with all the credibility of Scientology. Yeah, I know it's in that ballpark already with most people who have experienced it's inner workings, but I'm talking about the public in general. No one is going to think this is a good idea because it quite simply isn't. Is this what it comes down to, checking for copyright infringement at paranormal conventions? It doesn't sound like the Age of Enlightenment. I hope Thom Knoles wins and the TMO gets massive egg on its face. " Knoles declined and largely defended his biography. His attorney said he did learn under the Maharishi, was personally awarded an honorary doctorate by him, and had become "an acclaimed teacher of yoga" by age 20. Oddly enough, the foundation hasn't sued Knoles, for strategic reasons Zaiger said were confidential. Instead, it filed a lawsuit in 2011 against The Meditation House, an Iowa corporation owned by life coach Jules Green, who promotes Vedic Meditation on her website. The lawsuit seeks an order preventing Green from mentioning transcendental meditation studies in her advertising,” http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/20/legal-feud-over-teaching-transcendental-meditation-technique-is-anything-but/ http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/01/20/legal-feud-over-teaching-transcendental-meditation-technique-is-anything-but/ Yea But, the really interesting thing here is the legal path the old UK TM teachers carve out to continue to teach in the face of the strong-hand attempt of TM trademark assertion.. as Sal notes: but there isn't much they (Vlodrop) can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy (Maharishi Mahesh Yogi). That is interesting. 40,000 TM teachers out there in the world trained by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi and a few hundreds of TM teacher re-certs. The new TM legal department sharp-shoots old individuals continuing to teach TM as they were taught to teach as an infringement but this particular group of UK scorpion TM teachers stuck together and withstands the new TM legal department together. The Maharishi Foundation (Vlodrop and Vedic City) now keep a trademark infringement law firm on retainer now in the USA as they hunt down old TM teachers teaching outside the TM teacher re-certification project, a project that came post Maharishi or at the end to have old teachers come in and sign papers again restricting their teaching. Apparently the group of UK TM teachers exist extra-territorial to new-TM because they stuck together. Damned scorpions. -Buck steve.sundur wrote : Sal, .. Your strict adherence to everything science has dulled your sensitivity to nuance. You've got that knee jerk, TM bash move down pat. mjackson74@...> wrote : Sal says they do and their web presence speaks to it as well. But I will defer to Sal on this he is in a position to know. Sal writing: It's a good question, there are a few teaching in various places, The Meditation Trust is probably the best known as they were the guys who quit when Marshy put the price up so high it put them out of business. They have a few centres and hold courses in a country house where they teach the TMSP too. The TM official are always taking legal action against them but there isn't much they can do as all the teachers were trained by Marshy. I know people who go on their courses, they always tell me that I musn't mention it to people in the movement, which says it all about the TMO really. The same guy was telling me that someone asked him if it was true that people get brainwashed in the TMO, he said of course not. Anyway, they seem to be doing well and actually making money out of it which is the TM teachers dream, but then they don't have to give half to the TMO. Bad feelings about that too I shouldn't wonder. From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 Michael: note the highlighted part of my post below. A schism requires that the split off group has a coherent organization. I don't know if the initiators in England have this. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : the Movement already split - don't forget the renegade initiators in England From: "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 8:56 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: About Nov. 30 Species, Corporations, Religions, Cults, as is the nature of change, always, if they persist, break apart or become extinct. A schism is always eventually in the cards for the TM movement. It is said shortly after his death, the followers of Buddha broke into some two dozen different sects. You can see how Christianity split over time. There seem to be fewer splits among Muslims, perhaps a reflection of the dark ferocity of their memes. The Mormons, barely a religion after 150 years, have split six times. And look at all the different Hindu flavours. It is almost a no-brainer prediction that the TM movement will at some point split. *Already there are many teachers in various countries teaching outside the movement purview.* I would say that movements in which the participants are unable to think for themselves are likely to cohere together longer than those in which mental freedom and expression are given freer reign. Onward Lemmings! Rick does not have to do anything to weaken the movement, it will break naturally of its own accord, it is already frayed around the edges. While you might try to do something to arrest progress, eventually you will fail. That is the nature of evolution. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote : It's part of Rick Archer's long-time strategy to try to split up and weaken the Movement. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <rick@...> wrote : An organizer asked me to post this. www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/ Be curious. Be practical. Be yourself. One's perspective on this presentation of Explanations should be focused on "assessing its content" (i.e., whoever the source may be is far less relevant). Ask yourself on November 30th: 1) Is the content valuable and helpful to me now in my life? 2) Does it have a practical benefit? If yes, then take that part and use it. If not, then don't. That should always be the test. On the individual level. For details of how to Reserve a free seat, Live Stream it, or to watch the recording afterwards: www.30thNovember.com http://www.30thnovember.com/