Not that Turq needs anyone to defend him, but I must say:

"he abused his followers, emotionally, 
mentally, sexually, and financially" - exactly what Marshy did even though you 
won't admit it since your sense of self is so caught up in his saintly image.

"Barry has no money...Barry has no friends or family... Barry has made no 
spiritual progress... Barry has no 

All absurd pronouncements that you have no way of knowing the truth or falsity 
of. Especially the one about no spiritual progress. The fact that you feel he 
must agree that you are enlightened and that Marshy was a saint and TM is good 
for him to be considered spiritually evolved doesn't say much for your own 
state of mind.

 "Very much a mess, after Lenz got done with 

I can't vouch for what Barry was like after he left the Rama deal, I only know 
him from his posts here and his other writing he has made available online. He 
strikes me as being intelligent, discerning and a damn good writer, if a bit 
profane. He appears to me through his written words to have come through his 
experiences with Marshy, the Movement and Rama relatively unscathed. He at 
least no longer follows such hucksters like Benjy Creme or Amma or any of the 
other fakers on the spiritual scene. 

 From: " [FairfieldLife]" 
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, 
and Barry's mind

It is what Barry has NOT said that tells the story. Lenz was not only a 
con-artist, makes it sound like he was bouncing checks, or skipping out on 
parking tickets. No, Michael, he abused his followers, emotionally, mentally, 
sexually, and financially. Barry has no money - He spent it all on Lenz. Barry 
has no friends or family, because he was taught for ten years to avoid them. 
Barry has made no spiritual progress, because spiritual criminals have no 
interest in their chumps. Barry has no girlfriends because Lenz confused him 
greatly about responsibility and love. Barry continues to believe in dark 
forces, and dream world conflicts, and portals, and the "bardo" in everyday 
life, because he was thoroughly indoctrinated. Very much a mess, after Lenz got 
done with him.

So, I hate to be the one to break the news to ya, but you are aligned with the 
biggest cultist, brainwashed "master" follower, who has ever contributed to 
FFL. Congratulations, and good luck with that.

---In, <mjackson74@...> wrote :

It is amazing what mind-numbed zombies you people are about this - Barry has 
been very upfront with his assessment of Lenz, and has said point blank that in 
some ways Rama was a con artist - yet you all seem to ignore that and use 
Rama's enormities to paint Barry as a pitiful person and a stupid one too. The 
same could be said of those who continue to praise a fake guru like Marshy. 
Case closed.

 From: nablusoss1008 <>
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2014 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Take Me For A Ride; A look inside Lenz's cult, 
and Barry's mind


It's interesting to note that according to the Master of Benjamin Creme, Lenz 
had a point of evolution of 1,7 when he comitted suicide with a dog collar 
around his neck.
According to that system enlightenment begins with 3,0, so the guru of the Turq 
wasn't even close.

---In, <fleetwood_macncheese@...> wrote :

I finished the book, which was quite a page turner - Lenz was really into 
mind-fucking people, kind of a spiritual criminal. I stumbled around, as 
clueless as the next person, when I was young,
but I could *always* smell a phony, and Lenz, from what I have seen of him, 
never would have passed my smell test. Insecure and sleazy is a bad 
combination. I hope Barry opens his eyes, to the cage this asshole put him in. 
And soon.

---In, <punditster@...> wrote :

On 10/18/2014 8:29 AM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:

>>>>Yes, take a look at the book - It explains Barry's
thinking quite well. A good read, sorry I didn't see it
>>>The "Zen Master Rama" took Barry for a long ride and charged him
big bucks just to be in his company. The entire Barry guru scam is
laid out in this book by a former cult member who managed to
escape the cult with his mind still somewhat intact. The question
is, why didn't Barry provide this information to us years ago?
>>>Some cult members never get out of the cult mindset. They go
into a kind of reverse-cult mentality - imagining that everyone
else - is in a cult, all seeking to destroy him. It's a form of
paranoia that sometimes sets in when a cult member gets
deprogrammed. No wonder Barry is so angry and strident -
he's been turned.
>>>When that happens, the former cult member imagines his old
friends are in a cult and tries to get them to join his new cult,
which is the anti-cult cult, and to follow his new leaders.
Instead of being really deprogrammed, it just sets up a new cult
mindset. This has been noted by sociologists who study cults and
cult awareness networks (CAN).
>>>Freddie said he was the perfect mirror, and if you
perceived something negative in him, you were really
seeing it in yourself. Sounds so much like Bawee. Explains
all the "golden light" and "levitation" crap, too.
>>>Obviously Barry let himself get brain-washed and put into a
trance-induction state by the leader of the cult - Fred Lenz.
Nobody in their right mind is going to pay $10,000 just to attend
a few levitation demonstrations. You'd have to be in almost total
cognitive dissonance after being exposed to that level of fraud
and deception over a decade. 
>>>>---In, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :
>>>>Look, every body gets the "pushing of
buttons".  We all get ours pushed sometimes, and we
all do some pushing ourselves.
>>>>But, from
what you've found below, it does it appear that
Barry has elevated this "pushing of buttons" to,
well, some kind of religion.
>>>>And as in
most religions, some things get distorted.
>>>>Helps to
explain things, I think. (-:
>>>>---In, <fleetwood_macncheese@...> wrote :
>>>>If you want to
know how Barry thinks, and how he got so
screwed up, there is a free ebook, from
someone who was very close to Freddie. The
name of the book is: TAKE ME FOR A
Coming Of Age In A Destructive Cult, by Mark E.
Laxer. Available on
the link that Richard posted.
>>>>Here are some quotes from the
book. When I read them, they sounded
strangely familiar. Note: Freddie used to
call himself, "Atmananada" (Soul of Love),
before he decided he was the final
incarnation of Vishnu. The guy sounds VERY
>>>>Atmanandaexposed his Big Nurse nature in other
ways.  He claimed,
>>>>for instance, that he had to "press
the right buttons"
help people overcome their resistance
to the Light and to him….
>>>>He taught me to fear what
would happen if
I left the Centre.
>>>>"You know too much to
leave.  It's a greedy, materialistic world
>>>>out there.  Your soul would
be miserable.  Besides, the Forces would
>>>>flatten you like a bug.  You
would lose thousands of lifetimes
>>>>of evolution."
>>>>He taught me to fear, not
just the Forces
but people, particularly old
>>>>friends and family.  "It's
best if you don't tell them what
we do here.
>>>>Believe me, they won't
understand.  They'll end up blocking your
>>>>progress and sapping your
>>>>"Atmananda," I suddenly announced.  "I
*saw* the Warriors."
>>>>Others in the circle soon
*saw* them too.
>>>>Atmanandaheld desert trips once or twice a month
and, by
*saw* him walking above the
ground on a "cushion of light,"
>>>>flying to distant mountains,
columns of light into the sky,
>>>>and causing constellations
to gyrate and
>>>>On one starlit night, Atmanandaraised his hands above his head.
>>>>As he slowly lowered them,
he made a low,
whistling sound like
>>>>the wind.
>>>>"What did you *see*?" he
>>>>"I didn't *see* anything,"
new follower bemoaned.
>>>>"Advanced psychic vision is
necessary to perceive what I am doing…
>>>>"Are you Rama?" someone
>>>>"Yes," he replied.  "I am Rama, the
last incarnation of
>>>>You people think that I am a
person, but
I am not.  Over the years
>>>>I watched my various selves
away.  I fought the process tooth
>>>>and nail--like each of you
are doing
now.  But it was in vain.
>>>>I could not stop the process
dissolution.  I had to admit that I
>>>>was no longer a person. 
This morning I suddenly knew who I was.
>>>>I have been cycling...I am
beginning to
>>>>has named me Rama...Rama
most clearly
reflects my strand
>>>>of luminosity...We're at the
end of a
cycle...At this time,
>>>>Vishnu takes incarnation as
person...Vishnu is that aspect of God
>>>>that preserves and protects
life...Rama...the last incarnation
>>>>of Vishnu..."
>>>>---In, <awoelflebater@...> wrote :
>>>>---In, <punditster@...> wrote :
10/17/2014 9:16 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote:
to bring this
diversion (for
that is
what it is)
back into the
present, I
really wish
Richard, Jim,
and a few
others would
leave off this
shit. It's
old, and
it's based on
your *own*
cult thinking
and how *your*
minds work,
not how mine
>>>>>>>You need to get a
grip, Barry - you just
posted about "Rama
shit" a
few months ago!
>>>>>>>"I've seen someone
levitate. Many
times. In many
settings, from
the Los Angeles 
Center to the
Anza-Borrego Desert
to a Denny's
restaurant in the
>>>>>>>hours of the
night." -
>>>>>>>Subject: TM is a Cult?
>>>>>>>Author: TurquoiseB
>>>>>>>Group: Yahoo
>>>>>>>Date: Friday, 23 May
[FairfieldLife] Re:
TM is a Cult?
>>>>>>>   Re:
Re: TM is a
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---In, <sharelong60@...> wrote :Salya,I
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