My POV is that "god" and the "universe(s)" is just one big machine that we're all a part of. And we're just along for the ride and button pressed to start the ride in this amusement park was pressed "billyuns and billyuns" of years ago. Sorry you can't change the route the ride takes even if you think you have.

On 10/18/2014 02:24 PM, Duveyoung wrote:


I can say "aye," because I have a definition for the word, "god," with which my intellect can bat aside most of the usual anti-God debate points.

Awareness is God.

BAM, done.

Examine that statement. (Almost anyone's definition of "awareness" will do....except that almost no one can define "awareness." Heh. And, no, I'm not asking for "consciousness" to be defined.)

What? You're still here? That wasn't enough "hard fact" for your inner scientist? You need to do some experiments on "awareness," before you'll agree with me? Sorry, it can't be done. Awareness is not material, physical, or manifest in any manner, but, hoo boy, yep, apes-and-lower nervous systems manufacture a consciousness that insists it is.

Proceed to computations....I mean, go figure.

Now, if you've got a complaint about any particular religion, have at it, I'd probably agree with ya.

The history of religious institutions' insane embrace of slaughter easily triggers such negativity in my nervous system that I cannot toss a first stone at anyone who's thrown God out with the "Religions' bathwaters." I understand. Easy thing to do. Done it myself at several points in my ongoing maturation process.

But not anymore.

If you want to bitch about "faith" being illogical, I'm listening, but most examples of "faith" are relatively benign. So, to beat up folks who have never had two fact-based thoughts in a row is like using an AK47 to obtain a a barrel. Where's the sport in this?

A parrot can say, "There is no such thing as God."  Ya know?

And most humans who say it, say it with about the same amount of resonance. Just something to say. Like that.

To KNOW that there is no God.....there's the rub. Certainty is the ego's addiction, and that's what bothers atheists -- they can't nail it down. They can't prove it in words or numbers. They can shut up the believers with logic because logic (despite the calculus) doesn't apply to infinity -- ask any physicist who comes across a sleeping eight in a formula.

An atheist is religiously asserting a strongly held BELIEF, instead of being syllogistically certain. Big damned difference. Big.

And an agnostic is a person who has not yet achieved clarity about the unknowable, undefinable, never-not-there, sentient without consciousness, absolute -- awareness.

If you're not enlightened, you're an agnostic.

And if so, you're fucked. Cuz, you'll always be clinging to consciousness like an addict to the needle. Always waiting for the next thought to define you-as-you-are-now-even-though-you-won't-be-it-anon. BAH, talk about tawdry relationships -- constantly iterating fealty to the bloody percolations of two pounds of meat. It's downright sodomy.

And to those who believe in God without awareness-clarity and say, "But but but, Edg, I have soooooo many beautiful loving worshiping thoughts about the gloriousness of creation. All around I see proof of God's existence." -- I reply, "Piss off, addict." Ain't no cookery trick worth a lick in the divine candy store.

Give me silence without all the heavy breathing.  That'll do.

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