Curtis, as jr. says, you guys say there is no God. Its not like it is 
ambiguous. I like what Edg had to say about it - God equals awareness. I'd go 
along with that definition, completely. So, can you say you have no awareness, 
or is this a big bluster, of being an atheist, against the bankrupt cultural 
God we all dismissed in 4th grade, or so, the old guy with the beard who sits 
in judgment - That guy. Forget about him - what do you say about Edg's simple 
association, that God is awareness?  

 That is my God too, 24x7. As for assumptions, I don't make them about God - it 
is more like a reporting of instantaneous experience. The nervous system 
changes, as enlightenment progresses. There are no longer previous deep and 
unknown impressions, to fuel the "subconscious", as it is known in waking state.

 Everything is as fresh as a daisy, rejuvenating itself, moment by moment. 
There is no need for undue doubt or speculation, or fantasy, or imagination, 
regarding God. Nothing to hold onto, at all - In fact what could be more absurd 
than trying to hold onto God?? I give prayers for thanks, when necessary, or 
seek comfort directly, or am struck with awe, at the wonder of God's creation, 
but, I don't think about God abstractly, much at all. It just doesn't come up.

 PS Here's a picture of God. Just caught her in the yard, as the sun was 
setting. :-)
 ---In, <curtisdeltablues@...> wrote :

 --In, <fleetwood_macncheese@...> wrote :

 I don't believe in the God, that the atheists don't believe in, either. Who 
the fuck would want to? Theirs is a cultural God, or philosophical God, or 
logical God. The atheists must define, that which they do not believe in, and I 
agree, I do not believe in any of the Gods or gods, that they do not believe 
in, too.  

 The God I know, is unknown to them, they cannot define the God I know, and 
wouldn't have a clue where to begin. Now, THAT'S funny.

M: That seems a bit assumptive. How could you know if the God you claim to 
experience is unknown to them. Perhaps they had similar experiences and have 
come to different conclusions about the meaning of them?

You are perhaps giving your subjective experience undue epistemological weight, 
a condition that some cognitive psychologists would  argue is one of our most 
glaring cognitive gaps.

Atheists do not have to define what they do not believe in. They take the 
definitions from the believers and find them wanting. Yours included, to the 
degree that you have spelled out what it is. 

---In, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

 As it is with most of us Ann.  Even when there is a scientific explanation 
behind it. 

 And there is a sliding scale among everyone here of the belief in God. 

 Barry, of course believes in most of the tenants of theism, but just doesn't 
use the word "God"

 He prefers the word "Intelligence" so he can get a card that states, "I am a 

 He treasures that card, because it goes along with his self proclaimed label 
as, "rebel".

 But scratch beneath the surface, and he'd have some explaining to do.

 But don't expect him to be pressed by anyone in his clique.

 Oh, gawd, no.

---In, <awoelflebater@...> wrote :

 Everything is a mystery. What people think and why they think it is 
mysterious. How I can put one foot in front of the other is a mystery, even if 
someone thinks they can explain the mechanics of it there remain at least 50 
mysteries within that act alone. The biggest mystery being what is motivating 
the desire to put one foot in front of the other. My life is nothing but 
mystery, I have enough mystery to keep me busy for 1000 lifetimes so don't 
start claiming that those who have opinions about something lack the capacity 
to embrace mystery because to do so is to fall into the very trap you are 
claiming others are already floundering in. I mean, you're the guy who requires 
the rigid scientific methods to strip down every mystery. You're the one who 
can't seem to abide something if it isn't clearly documented and disassembled 
right down to the boring nitty gritty. So don't talk to me about "mystery".



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