---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <fleetwood_macncheese@...> wrote :
Yes, they are both a piece of work. I think both of them take extreme views, in social settings, because both of them feel to be outsiders, in the world they inhabit. Their position reminds me of that of the most vociferous born again "christians", often found proselytizing, while working minimum wage jobs. These are not successful people, Barry and Curtis. Both are white, from upper middle class backgrounds, privileged as American citizens, and each with a college degree. Yet, not a hill of beans, between them. I am not necessarily talking about material possessions, but things like strength of character, foresight, humility, social intelligence, and a simple ability to achieve that which they set out to do. All of this, is lacking in them. So, being emotionally immature, and intellectually lazy, they begin to show their discontent with society, that it hasn't rewarded them for their bad decisions. They profess atheism, and go all out against God, and enlightenment, and any sort of spiritual endeavor that they don't approve of. They see themselves failing by societies norms, and have now taken the position, that, "You can't fire me, I quit!" But, the argument that only they are right, and the rest of the world, as represented by the other members of this forum, is wrong, is clearly not sane thinking. Not that it matters but I don't put Curtis anywhere in the same ball park as bawee. Although I don't agree with Curtis on some of his stances or his sometimes very acerbic way of communicating these stances I see Curtis as a creative guy, well versed in his passion of blues/music and who cares enough about the planet to be teaching and giving back to young people in a school district that doesn't appear to be a place that is a walk in the park. I also see Curtis as someone who has gotten softer and gentler here over the few short years I have been around. Just my unimportant and random opinion. Curtis is more than capable of a civilized and well thought out response whereas bawee has a chronic case of burr-up-his-ass that appears to be a terminal condition.