On 10/20/2014 4:41 AM, fleetwood_macnche...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:

Bye, bye, Lenz, Jr.

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/It looks like Barry's cognitive dissonance is even worse than I thought - he doesn't even realize that Sam Harris is a Buddhist true believer in karma - the law of cause and effect. Go figure./
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <turquoiseb@...> wrote :

See what I mean? Curtis refuted John's idiotic argument point by point, and HE DIDN'T EVEN HEAR IT. The only thing he can do is repeat the same stupid thing he's already repeated -- and had refuted -- here on FFL dozens of time in the past.

You really can't deal with anyone as dumb as this. I repeat my contention -- believing in astrology, God, and the Maharishi Effect really IS like winning the Trifecta of Idiocy. How does a mind *become* this weak?

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*From:* "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Monday, October 20, 2014 1:59 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

Xeno,

I have asked Curtis about his support or evidence for disagreeing with the statements in the Kalam Cosmological Argument. But he just gave me a lot of song and dance about his opinions without providing the evidence for his arguments. Can you give us a solid argument with evidence and support why the statements in the KCA have a flaw?

Let's take the KCA which states:

 1. Everything that begins to exist has a cause;
 2. The universe began to exist;

        /Therefore/:

 3. The universe has a cause.

Do you agree with statement 1 or not? If not, please give us your reasons for disagreeing.






---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <anartaxius@...> wrote :

Logical arguments about ultimates always contain a flaw. You can reverse the form of the argument to support atheism and if you do not see the flaw, it will seem equally valid, that is, that atheism is true. Now there are some atheists who definitely believe there is no god and they can be as fanatical as a fundamentalist religionist. Probably they would have no sense of humour about their condition. But a real atheist simply lacks a particular kind of belief because that belief seems neither reasonable or likely. They basically just do not care. Barry is just testing memes to see what happens when they are activated. We all have memes which are basically little snippets of mental routines our minds use. We trade them with each other, but for the most part these mental stances are just our opinions about the world around us and we tend to be be rather uncritical as to how well they really represent what is real, while at the same time taking them as reality itself.

Take the TMO memes. On FFL, meditators and former meditators all at one time believed certain things about experience were at least possible, for example, that if you practice TM, which is not a religion, you will find God. The TMO memes specify that we are in a state of ignorance, not knowing the nature of reality. But were we actually in the state of ignorance, we would not have the capability to correctly evaluate what we were told because we would be using delusional thinking to evaluate ideas such as transcendence, states of consciousness and so forth, so our following this system of thought about reality would essentially be an act of insanity, that is, mental illness. The system defines us as in some way incapacitated in knowing what is real, and then expects us to just jump in, and accept what the system says is real.

A discussion of the Kalam argument:

Cosmological Kalamity <http://infidels.org/library/modern/dan_barker/kalamity.html>


        
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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <jr_esq@...> wrote :

Barry,

Have you ever thought that atheism is also a belief-- and an unreasonable one at that? The Kalam Cosmological Argument should dispel any of your doubts.







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