I certainly wouldn't have expected you to agree, Curtis, but your response 
hasn't changed my assessment of your motives. Sorry.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <curtisdeltablues@...> wrote :

 This was a particularly nasty trollish comment Jim. I will let most of it ride 
as an indictment of your character. 

But I will correct this: I am not an outsider in my community. I am a leader in 
the arts in education movement and just last week addressed 19 Principals in 
one of my school county districts about the need to bring arts integrated 
teaching in their schools, at the invitation of the regional arts director who 
is a fan of my work. 

As far as making a living in the arts is concerned you got it wrong sorry to 
disappoint, I am very much an insider working to improve the educational system 
in my area with my own choice of music from within the system, and recognized 
by it.

So you can fantasize about me not being successful in my chosen field if you 
want to grind out your own ill will. But it just doesn't fit the actual facts 
of the work I am doing or how it is being recognized in my community.  I was 
just changing lives one classroom at a time today.

Oh yeah:

J: But, the argument that only they are right, and the rest of the world, as 
represented by the other members of this forum, is wrong, is clearly not sane 

There are so many funny things about this I hardly know where to start. If fact 
coming from you the irony is too perfect to comment on. I'll just let the "rest 
of the world" think about who just said this!


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <fleetwood_macncheese@...> wrote :

 Yes, they are both a piece of work. I think both of them take extreme views, 
in social settings, because both of them feel to be outsiders, in the world 
they inhabit. Their position reminds me of that of the most vociferous born 
again "christians", often found proselytizing, while working minimum wage jobs. 

 These are not successful people, Barry and Curtis. Both are white, from upper 
middle class backgrounds, privileged as American citizens, and each with a 
college degree. Yet, not a hill of beans, between them. I am not necessarily 
talking about material possessions, but things like strength of character, 
foresight, humility, social intelligence, and a simple ability to achieve that 
which they set out to do. All of this, is lacking in them. 

 So, being emotionally immature, and intellectually lazy, they begin to show 
their discontent with society, that it hasn't rewarded them for their bad 
decisions. They profess atheism, and go all out against God, and enlightenment, 
and any sort of spiritual endeavor that they don't approve of. They see 
themselves failing by societies norms, and have now taken the position, that, 
"You can't fire me, I quit!"

 But, the argument that only they are right, and the rest of the world, as 
represented by the other members of this forum, is wrong, is clearly not sane 

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 The ignorant inquisitor.. 'It's not my experience so it does not exist!'
 Deltablues' technique is the old trick of the materialist's (orthodox) 
inquisitor, “Tell us, what exactly is your creed?” “Tell us in terms detailed 
such that we can understand and then the best of sophists of us will argue it 
out with you trying it point by point. Lot of people have been burned at the 
stake by uber-intellectualistic people like Deltablues is trying to be here on 

 fleetwood_macncheese responding to Turqb:
 Bye, bye, Lenz, Jr.

 turquoiseb@...> wrote : 
 See what I mean? Curtis refuted John's idiotic argument point by point, and HE 
DIDN'T EVEN HEAR IT. The only thing he can do is repeat the same stupid thing 
he's already repeated -- and had refuted -- here on FFL dozens of time in the 


 You really can't deal with anyone as dumb as this. I repeat my contention -- 
believing in astrology, God, and the Maharishi Effect really IS like winning 
the Trifecta of Idiocy. How does a mind *become* this weak?  


 From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 1:59 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness

 I have asked Curtis about his support or evidence for disagreeing with the 
statements in the Kalam Cosmological Argument.  But he just gave me a lot of 
song and dance about his opinions without providing the evidence for his 
arguments.  Can you give us a solid argument with evidence and support why the 
statements in the KCA have a flaw?

 Let's take the KCA which states:

 Everything that begins to exist has a cause; The universe began to exist; 
Therefore: The universe has a cause. Do you agree with statement 1 or not?  If 
not, please give us your reasons for disagreeing.




---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <anartaxius@...> wrote :

 Logical arguments about ultimates always contain a flaw. You can reverse the 
form of the argument to support atheism and if you do not see the flaw, it will 
seem equally valid, that is, that atheism is true. Now there are some atheists 
who definitely believe there is no god and they can be as fanatical as a 
fundamentalist religionist. Probably they would have no sense of humour about 
their condition. But a real atheist simply lacks a particular kind of belief 
because that belief seems neither reasonable or likely. They basically just do 
not care. Barry is just testing memes to see what happens when they are 
activated. We all have memes which are basically little snippets of mental 
routines our minds use. We trade them with each other, but for the most part 
these mental stances are just our opinions about the world around us and we 
tend to be be rather uncritical as to how well they really represent what is 
real, while at the same time taking them as reality itself. 

 Take the TMO memes. On FFL, meditators and former meditators all at one time 
believed certain things about experience were at least possible, for example, 
that if you practice TM, which is not a religion, you will find God. The TMO 
memes specify that we are in a state of ignorance, not knowing the nature of 
reality. But were we actually in the state of ignorance, we would not have the 
capability to correctly evaluate what we were told because we would be using 
delusional thinking to evaluate ideas such as transcendence, states of 
consciousness and so forth, so our following this system of thought about 
reality would essentially be an act of insanity, that is, mental illness. The 
system defines us as in some way incapacitated in knowing what is real, and 
then expects us to just jump in, and accept what the system says is real. 

 A discussion of the Kalam argument:

 Cosmological Kalamity 
 Cosmological Kalamity 
http://infidels.org/library/modern/dan_barker/kalamity.html Home » Library » 
Modern » Dan Barker »   Cosmological Kalamity Dan Barker "Daddy, if God made 
everything, who made God?" my daughter Kristi asked me, when she was five years 

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---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <jr_esq@...> wrote :


 Have you ever thought that atheism is also a belief-- and an unreasonable one 
at that?  The Kalam Cosmological Argument should dispel any of your doubts.





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