---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <turquoiseb@...> wrote :
Jim has lost it before and will lose it again, but this is by far the worst case of losing it so far. Enlightened? At this point he's barely human... I'm interested in why anyone who risks a dissenting voice round here is classed as emotionally immature as well as intellectually lazy. I can see how someone with entrenched beliefs might assume that they must have arrived intellectually at what they think is true, and that therefore anyone who disagrees must be deficient not to have arrived at the same conclusion. But to think that makes them some sort of emotional cripple as well is most puzzling, I can only assume it's a catch all insult that's designed to hurt whoever might be on the receiving end, and sort of a way of saying you must be a TOTAL loser and not just an intellectual one for daring to disagree with me. Like a toddler saying I HATE YOU FOREVER because you won't give them a second biscuit. I think the reason this happens is that Jim and other spiritual/religious types don't realise their beliefs are emotional rather than logical and insult any contrarians in an accordingly similar way to how they feel they've been slighted. The two modes of being don't seem to mix very well, this must be why I feel no emotional pain whatsoever when someone disagrees with me about quantum tunnelling being a likely cause of creation, and why the hell would I? It's only an abstract idea that may or may not be true, if I was hung up on it or actually defined by it then it might be different. That's maybe where the abuse comes from. But Jim is right, we should be looking for the creator, and if we don't find him or it turns out to be merely a flux in relativistic quantum boundary possibilities then so be it. The urge to know is there in me. From: "curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 12:12 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness --In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <fleetwood_macncheese@...> wrote : I certainly wouldn't have expected you to agree, Curtis, but your response hasn't changed my assessment of your motives. Sorry. M: I didn't realize that this was a discussion of motives. OK, Well in that case I think your motive for making up a bunch of derogatory shit is to get back at me for not going along with your "I am enlightened and you are not" routine. I think that gets you angry and you have to lash out. But don't worry Jim,there is always Nabbie. He believes EVERYTHING. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <curtisdeltablues@...> wrote : This was a particularly nasty trollish comment Jim. I will let most of it ride as an indictment of your character. But I will correct this: I am not an outsider in my community. I am a leader in the arts in education movement and just last week addressed 19 Principals in one of my school county districts about the need to bring arts integrated teaching in their schools, at the invitation of the regional arts director who is a fan of my work. As far as making a living in the arts is concerned you got it wrong sorry to disappoint, I am very much an insider working to improve the educational system in my area with my own choice of music from within the system, and recognized by it. So you can fantasize about me not being successful in my chosen field if you want to grind out your own ill will. But it just doesn't fit the actual facts of the work I am doing or how it is being recognized in my community. I was just changing lives one classroom at a time today. Oh yeah: J: But, the argument that only they are right, and the rest of the world, as represented by the other members of this forum, is wrong, is clearly not sane thinking. There are so many funny things about this I hardly know where to start. If fact coming from you the irony is too perfect to comment on. I'll just let the "rest of the world" think about who just said this! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <fleetwood_macncheese@...> wrote : Yes, they are both a piece of work. I think both of them take extreme views, in social settings, because both of them feel to be outsiders, in the world they inhabit. Their position reminds me of that of the most vociferous born again "christians", often found proselytizing, while working minimum wage jobs. These are not successful people, Barry and Curtis. Both are white, from upper middle class backgrounds, privileged as American citizens, and each with a college degree. Yet, not a hill of beans, between them. I am not necessarily talking about material possessions, but things like strength of character, foresight, humility, social intelligence, and a simple ability to achieve that which they set out to do. All of this, is lacking in them. So, being emotionally immature, and intellectually lazy, they begin to show their discontent with society, that it hasn't rewarded them for their bad decisions. They profess atheism, and go all out against God, and enlightenment, and any sort of spiritual endeavor that they don't approve of. They see themselves failing by societies norms, and have now taken the position, that, "You can't fire me, I quit!" But, the argument that only they are right, and the rest of the world, as represented by the other members of this forum, is wrong, is clearly not sane thinking. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : The ignorant inquisitor.. 'It's not my experience so it does not exist!' Deltablues' technique is the old trick of the materialist's (orthodox) inquisitor, “Tell us, what exactly is your creed?” “Tell us in terms detailed such that we can understand and then the best of sophists of us will argue it out with you trying it point by point. Lot of people have been burned at the stake by uber-intellectualistic people like Deltablues is trying to be here on FFL. -Buck fleetwood_macncheese responding to Turqb: Bye, bye, Lenz, Jr. turquoiseb@...> wrote : See what I mean? Curtis refuted John's idiotic argument point by point, and HE DIDN'T EVEN HEAR IT. The only thing he can do is repeat the same stupid thing he's already repeated -- and had refuted -- here on FFL dozens of time in the past. You really can't deal with anyone as dumb as this. I repeat my contention -- believing in astrology, God, and the Maharishi Effect really IS like winning the Trifecta of Idiocy. How does a mind *become* this weak? From: "jr_esq@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 1:59 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness Xeno, I have asked Curtis about his support or evidence for disagreeing with the statements in the Kalam Cosmological Argument. But he just gave me a lot of song and dance about his opinions without providing the evidence for his arguments. Can you give us a solid argument with evidence and support why the statements in the KCA have a flaw? Let's take the KCA which states: Everything that begins to exist has a cause; The universe began to exist; Therefore: The universe has a cause. Do you agree with statement 1 or not? If not, please give us your reasons for disagreeing. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <anartaxius@...> wrote : Logical arguments about ultimates always contain a flaw. You can reverse the form of the argument to support atheism and if you do not see the flaw, it will seem equally valid, that is, that atheism is true. Now there are some atheists who definitely believe there is no god and they can be as fanatical as a fundamentalist religionist. Probably they would have no sense of humour about their condition. But a real atheist simply lacks a particular kind of belief because that belief seems neither reasonable or likely. They basically just do not care. Barry is just testing memes to see what happens when they are activated. We all have memes which are basically little snippets of mental routines our minds use. We trade them with each other, but for the most part these mental stances are just our opinions about the world around us and we tend to be be rather uncritical as to how well they really represent what is real, while at the same time taking them as reality itself. Take the TMO memes. On FFL, meditators and former meditators all at one time believed certain things about experience were at least possible, for example, that if you practice TM, which is not a religion, you will find God. The TMO memes specify that we are in a state of ignorance, not knowing the nature of reality. But were we actually in the state of ignorance, we would not have the capability to correctly evaluate what we were told because we would be using delusional thinking to evaluate ideas such as transcendence, states of consciousness and so forth, so our following this system of thought about reality would essentially be an act of insanity, that is, mental illness. The system defines us as in some way incapacitated in knowing what is real, and then expects us to just jump in, and accept what the system says is real. A discussion of the Kalam argument: Cosmological Kalamity http://infidels.org/library/modern/dan_barker/kalamity.html Cosmological Kalamity Home » Library » Modern » Dan Barker » Cosmological Kalamity Dan Barker "Daddy, if God made everything, who made God?" my daughter Kristi asked me, when she was five years old. View on infidels.org http://infidels.org/library/modern/dan_barker/kalamity.html Preview by Yahoo ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <jr_esq@...> wrote : Barry, Have you ever thought that atheism is also a belief-- and an unreasonable one at that? The Kalam Cosmological Argument should dispel any of your doubts.