--In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <turquoiseb@...> wrote :

 Very, very nice. For somewhat obvious cafe- and waitress-related reasons, I 
liked your answer to question #2 the best, but all were wonderful. 

That is from "Hard Luck Shoes" so you may already know that we never find out. 
My guess is number one because this character is not a personal responsibility 
oriented guy. After sitting too long he might blame the waitress for being rude 
and then stiff her, cluelessly wondering why he is greeted with a stink face 
when he comes back the next time! Or maybe you are right and despite giving her 
a big tip she still wont give him the time of day. He will predictably blame 
his "hard luck shoes" for things not turning out  well, AGAIN.

Thanks for reading.


 From: "curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 8:01 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Belief in God is a form of mental illness
   ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote :
 Curtis, I just had a lunch of veggies and salmon so maybe my brain is a little 
more up to respond. Maybe! Definitely not as good as Sam Harris (-:


 Anyway, my questions are: 

 1. how do we know that we know? Which is kind of abstract and probably just me 
reliving a past life as a haetera!

M: We all run a system for this consciously or unconsciously. Whatever it is we 
share a common human tendency to believe that our system is a better one than 
it actually is.


 2. what do we mean by knowing?
 Ok, we see a tree fall so we think we know that it fell. Of course, perception 
could be faulty.

M: This is too abstract if we remove it from the context. Epistemology or the 
system to evaluate how we can be confident about our knowledge is context 
dependent. Good thinking skills are different when dealing with material things 
or more abstract things but they can exist in each area in more or less degrees.

 S: Or, to go into the arts as you suggested, we listen to a song about first 
love, and from our own memories of that, we recognize the "truth" of the song.

M: I think for many arts we do this and deduce the authenticity of the lyrics 
from matching it to our experience. That is why so many lyrics are formulated 
out of a the hypnosis language or poetry playbook so more people can relate to 
them. Some lyrics are purposely individual so that you take a ride into the 
story. It can still feel true or false to us but we give more leeway to the 
story lyrics. It has to be consistent for the created character. Here are 
example from my songs:

The river of missing you , it flows a long long way
It starts the day you left me, wont end till judgement day


Eating hash browns in a diner under a broken neon sign,
waitress tries to turn my table, but I just take my time
She wont refill my coffee so my cup is gett'n cold
Catch my reflection in the window, I sure am looking old

And combining both:
Well worn at he edges, kinda torn at the seams,
try'n to find our way together, where did we lose our dreams
She left her head shape in her pillow, blankets falling off the bed,
My mind can't stop repeating the last words that she said.

All three are my attempts to either express feelings I have had authentically 
or characters that are genuine enough that you might recognize yourself or 
someone you know in the story. You add the details from your own life and if I 
have succeeded you say: I know that guy, or I AM that person. The first offers 
the least conflicting details so filling in the details is all on you. The 
second is probably not you, but if I have made the character compelling you 
wonder what comes next. Is he going to stiff her on the tip or give her an 
inappropriately big one? What kind of guy is this, we don't know yet.

The third is a dance between you filling in your own details in parts and being 
able to be separate from it all to see another person's life as a fly on the 
wall. Some of the words might connect with your personal experience. Have you 
had a relationship that was "well worn at the edges, kind of torn at the 
seams?" So you might buy into the story on a more personal level until it goes 
in a direction you can't relate to personally.

It is all a work in progress, songwriting is very hard given our exposure to 
fabulous songwriters who are geniuses at this. I am going as far as I can with 
what I have to work with.


 But here's my really favorite question, 

 3. Back to your post: what is meant by "worthwhile reality"?
 Are there some realities that are not worthwhile?

M: I was using that as an evaluation of what we pay attention to. I believe 
there is a LOT of reality that is not worth focusing on and that is up to us. I 
also believe that society is judging the value of the humanities and the arts 
badly these days and not paying attention to some worthwhile realities. It is 
undervaluing the importance of how human's communicate through stories: visual, 
linguistic and sensory-moter. We are forgetting how we evolved the brain we 
have through multi-sensory manipulatives and are making some really unwise 
decisions in education because of it.

Now that I have clarified what I meant would you care to share (pun intended) 
your perspective? Thanks for the invitation to express!


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