Not that I would have expected it, Barry, but I see NO EVIDENCE of your "pretty 
cool" life. We all know you drink beer and curse us, alone, from a cafe, and 
live in a rented room. I assert that a white, college educated, upper middle 
class senior citizen should be doing better, a LOT better. Instead you avoid 
your reality, and instead try and take a piss on TM, though it appears that 
your less than impressive pecker, keeps getting caught in the zipper. :-) 

---In, <turquoiseb@...> wrote :

 Good rant. And timely. 


 The fascinating thing is that, were she still around, I'd bet that even Judy 
wouldn't stand for this level of lying from Jim and Nabby. She would point out 
that our posts seem to indicate that we're living quite well, thank you, and 
would challenge these idiots to produce even ONE post in which we've said or 
even implied anything like "Our lives suck." 


 Our lives DON'T suck. They're pretty fulfilling, actually. And they're pretty 
cool *without* us having to believe in all that mumbo-jumbo that TMers feel 
they have to believe in to get any attention from their fellow TMers. THAT is 
what I think pisses Jim and Nabby (and to a lesser extent Steve and Buck) off 
the most -- the obvious fact that we can get people to like us by Just Being 


 They can't.  So they project *their* fantasies of what an "apostate's" life 
"must" be like onto us, and try to portray us as the losers they'd imagine 
*themselves* being if they no longer had the safety of being in a cult group 
and all of the stories they tell about themselves. Jim knows that without his 
silly claims of being enlightened he's nothing. And IMO he's also beginning to 
realize that absolutely NO ONE actually *believes* his enlightenment stories, 
so that IS what he is -- nothing. So he lashes out and makes up anything he 
thinks will "get" us. The rest of the Inquisitors do the same thing, for their 
own reasons. 


 You knew this was coming the moment you refused to jump on the "Get Barry" 
bandwagon, right? You knew it was coming the moment you stood up for people's 
rights to express beliefs that run counter to the established TM On The Program 
beliefs. The minute you did that, you became a target again. Nothing really 
ever changes in cult land.  


 From: "curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife]" <>
 Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 3:42 PM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form 
of mental illness
   In, <fleetwood_macncheese@...> wrote :

 Curtis and Barry's message is always the same, "My life sucks,

M: Lemme just stop you here. This is a boldfaced lie Jim and you know it. Out 
of the thousands of posts from us I challenge you to find ONE that says this. 
Both Barry and I enjoyed our time in TM till we didn't and we are both having a 
grand old time at this stage of our lives. (For me my best decade ever,)

What I find interesting is that both you and Nabbie consistently try to sell 
this idea that our lives are not good today somehow. It is more than just ill 
will wishing, you are making it up and positively asserting it as fact. Both of 
you doing exactly the same thing. You recently went off on a detailed rant on 
your fantasy that Barry and I are "unsuccessful." Nabbie clings to his fantasy 
that I am a beggar.

What is most interesting is not that you two are wishing us ill, it is that you 
are comfortable telling lies here because you don't agree with our opinion 
about TM and don't accept your grandiose claims of living in a higher state of 
whatever. You are making up a story about our lives with at best zero evidence 
and at worst counterevidence, and stating it as a fact, again and again. It is 
simply a cowardly, dishonest tactic and I object to it. 

Sam Harris has been dealing with people like you, misquoting him to make him 
look bad, knowing that they have misrepresented what he actually said. I really 
feel for him. His stakes are much higher than two idiots on an obscure forum 
making shit up. But the mechanics are the same. By consistently telling the 
same narrative, re-writing my life story to fit your fantasy, you are 
attempting to win by attrition. 

I have no doubt that if we were all in a higher profile venue where your 
bullshit could actually hurt me, as Sam's critics are putting him in harms way 
with religious extremists, you would both do the same thing to me. You are both 
dishonest, malevolent creatures, knowing that I have little recourse. It 
doesn't matter what I present as counter-evidence to your "story" you will both 
continue the same thing.

It does explain why you continue to try to pedal your story about yourself as a 
special little guy. Telling stories is all you guys got. And you and I both 
know that don't we?

 but look over there, look what Maharishi did XX years ago! How scandalous, how 
horrible, how beautifully distracting!!". As the bumper sticker says, "Same 
shit, different day". It is amazing, how, once their motivations are sussed 
out, Barry and Curtis become spectacularly uninteresting, and about as 
provocative as dirt. 
---In, <> wrote :

 You're right and I have no regrets as I'm fed up with Curtis, the howler from 
the streets, pretending to have something useful to say about the Movement.

---In, <steve.sundur@...> wrote :

 Just an ugly comment.

---In, <> wrote :

 "Very Nabbie of you to slip in the poisonous "yet" when there is absolutely no 
connection or link between someone expressing their opinion here and violence 
of any kind."

 And Curtis claim to have studied philosophy. No wonder he ended up begging for 
cents on the streets as a reward for screaming and calling it "art".



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