well, it's also as you said previously, Richard, experiencing unbounded 
awareness is pretty much its own verification. 

 I remember, as an aside, someone asking Maharishi, (this was on a tape), why 
is the experience of unbounded awareness blissful.  His response was that, that 
is its nature.  The person kept pressing him, and finally he said, "why is 
water wet?, why does fire burn?.  It is its nature.

 Sure, I guess you can unpack the experience of unbounded awareness we can have 
when we meditate, but it appears to me, at least, to be an enjoyable experience 
at the time we experience it, and when that broadened awareness carries over 
into activity, or even sleeping and dreaming as well, although in my case, I 
don't notice it in those other two states as much.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <punditster@...> wrote :

 On 10/24/2014 7:40 PM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
   Richard, you want something silly?  I give you something silly.
 Barry is having a near panic attack, pleading, insisting that someone explain 
to him the importance of the experience of unbounded awareness.  I guess he's 
got a turd he wants to drop on that or something.
 But, here. Get this.  Ask Barry to explain, how as a declared atheist, he 
explains karma, and rebirth, (which he is on record of buying into), and he 
mumbles, "It's not important.  It doesn't matter. No, not important at all"
 Richard, explain that to me, please,................it you can.
 Go figure?  No. I haven't figured that out.

 The condition is called cognitive dissonance - that's when a person holds two 
or more conflicting beliefs at the same time. Barry used to be a professed 
Buddhist who believed in karma and a Self or Spirit that reincarnates after 
biological death. 
 Logically in order for metempsychosis to work there must be a reincarnating 
soul-monad - a self that reincarnates - a "person" that reaps the karma of past 
or present actions. But  the historical Buddha denied the existence of the 
Atman. Go figure. 
 Barry posted this information to <alt.religion.gnostic> several years ago and 
he also mentioned on FFL his belief in the Tibetan Bardo state. Barry 
apparently studied American Buddhism under the Zen Master Rama and converted in 
 This sets up the dissonance conflict because some people get confused by not 
understanding why some people who go around doing good and have good 
intentions, are yet forced to suffer and vice-versa - many times people that go 
around doing bad things, get rewarded. The theory of karma or causation is 
almost inconceivable.
 So, what happened to Barry is simple: after living in NE for so many years, he 
obviously has succumbed to peer pressure and has been turned into a materialist 
or a naive realist. You can understand how easy it is to get mentally 
brain-washed by reading about young people that go radical after watching just 
a single video. Some people are very susceptible to suggestion. Go figure.
 It is sometimes very difficult to stay on a spiritual path when your own 
family and friends don't believe in anything and you feel like a stranger in a 
strange land. Sometimes people tend to conform to the level of consciousness 
that surrounds them and they begin to reflect that on social media. It's not 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
<punditster@...> mailto:punditster@... wrote :
 On 10/24/2014 8:44 AM, steve.sundur@... mailto:steve.sundur@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:

 This sounds like a pretzeling "moment" 

 It seems dirt simple to me. We are all bound by karma, which means actions, 
past and present. If a person does good deeds, he or she will be reborn in a 
better life. On the other hand, if a person does bad things, in the past or 
present, he or she will get reborn in hell, or a less than satisfactory 
situation. It's not complicated. 
 In some rare cases, if a person follows a spiritual path, does the work and 
realizes enlightenment, that person, if he or she has really good karma, may 
not have to be reborn again, unless they choose to do so, to help the rest of 
the world get free. But, you are only going to get as much enlightenment as you 
are going to get.
 So, based on my experience, what I've been told and what I have figured out - 
I believe in Life; what it does to you and what you do back. 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
<punditster@...> mailto:punditster@... wrote :

 Xeno didn't even recognize the dissonance in Barry's preference for Bruce 
Cockburn songs. Everyone knows Cockburn is a born-again Christian. What about 
Barry's claim that a "belief in God is a form of mental illness." 
 On 10/24/2014 12:03 AM, blue_bungalow_2@... mailto:blue_bungalow_2@... 
[FairfieldLife] wrote:
 This could explain how Winthrop and Albert worked on the 
 non-weapon part, of an exclusively weapons project, in which 
 one of them was denied security clearance.

 This is an example of cognitive dissonance - the mental stress or discomfort 
experienced by an individual who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, 
ideas, or values at the same time.
 What I'm trying to do is alert Barry that he is exhibiting some roughness by 
posting contradictory messages to the group. Everyone already knows that Barry 
believes in Buddhas, karma, and reincarnation and that he bought and read Sam 
Harris' new book. Everyone already knows that (except apparently Xeno). 
 The thing that doesn't make any sense is, why Barry didn't understand what 
Harris wrote. It seems pretty simple to me. Harris makes a clear case for the 
value of spirituality, which he bases on his experiences in Buddhist 
 Go figure.



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