Bhairitu, it does seem like everything is binary even at the most fundamental 
levels: matter and energy; yin and yang; crest and trough of waves; impulses 
traveling via go and stop. 
 

     On Sunday, October 26, 2014 11:42 AM, "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net 
[FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
   

      Funny, you know I hang out around TV circles and forums and I don't 
recall anyone saying that "Person of Interest" made history.  Perhaps your 
grandfatherly crush on Ms Acker is clouding your judgment a bit.  :-D 
 
 I caught an episode or two when it started but thought it was typical 
formulaic American TV and I had much better things to watch.  But as far as 
being predictive even the title is something that emerged with the rise of the 
American Fascist State after 9/11 with our Nazi-like Homeland Security and 
Patriot Act.  You're forgetting "A Scanner Darkly" which predates that show not 
to mention "1984" and even Fritz Lang's "Metropolis", not to mention numerous 
science fiction novels and short stories.  In a way I thought that "Person of 
Interest" was trying to acclimatize Americans to the idea of constantly being 
watched.  Right now they're trying to foment a lot of fear over ISIS and Ebola 
to take away even more of our civil liberties.  Folks, don't stand for it.
 
 Of course now we can watch the neighborhood ourselves as more and more of us 
get surveillance cameras being that the systems are affordable and don't 
require some monthly extortion fee from a security company.  Funny thing there 
as a kid in the 1950s I would get the yearly Allied Radio catalog where I would 
buy electronic kits to build.  But my dream thing to own back then in the late 
1950s was a $300 TV camera they sold.  It's main use was for business owners to 
hook up to a TV as a security camera.  Needless to say I never came up with the 
$300.
 
 As for AI, it could very well be a danger.  After all the intellect is binary, 
just "yes" or "no".  At the company I worked for in the 1990s a team was trying 
to build a product that would emulate human behavior.  They were doing so by 
processing a long list of memes.  I told them that was too complicated and 
mentioned that the intellect was binary and the human mind not that 
complicated.  They thought I was nuts until one of our project leads came 
across a graduate paper published by a Berkeley student which demonstrated just 
that.  The product shipped with just a few variables which reliably did emulate 
human behavior.
 
 Where did my idea come from?  Indian philosophy.
 
 
 On 10/26/2014 03:41 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoi...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] 
wrote:
  
     The most intelligent examination of AI in the entertainment world these 
days is a TV show called "Person Of Interest," created by Jonathon Nolan. Nolan 
is the brother of Christopher Nolan, and was co-writer of many of his big hits, 
such as "The Dark Night," "The Dark Knight Rises," "The Prestige," and the 
short story on which his brother's "Memento" was based. He'll also be the 
writer of his brother's upcoming "Interstellar," already getting great reviews 
in previews. 
  
  "Person Of Interest" made history by predicting a complex arrangement of 
computers and closed-circuit TV and surveillance equipment so vast and so 
uncontrolled that it could watch literally every minute of our lives.  
Interestingly, Nolan did this and put it on mainstream TV *before* Snowdon blew 
the whistle and revealed that the NSA had this ability in real life and was 
*already* watching pretty much every moment of our lives. 
  
  The main difference in "Person Of Interest" is that the force behind all of 
this uber-surveillance is "the machine," an AI developed by Harold Finch 
(Michael Emerson from "Lost"). In the early seasons this AI gains sentience and 
begins  to help Finch and his associates keep normal people from harm. But in 
the last two seasons it's taken a far darker turn, as a competing AI has 
entered the picture, and now they are dueling in cyberspace, trying to 
establish  dominance. 
  
  It's actually a fun and entertaining series. I particularly like Amy Acker as 
Root, a brilliant computer nerd/psychopath who first starts as an enemy of "the 
machine" and who later becomes its disciple. Yes, disciple. It "sees all, and 
knows all," so what, after all, distinguishes it from God? 
  
       From: "anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" 
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2014 11:04 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Rise of the Machines
   
        The dangers of human intelligence are known well enough. Maybe we 
should try something different? The problem is we are creating AI, if it mimics 
us, we can expect it to do the things we do. Regardless of whether  we regard 
machines as conscious or not (an unanswered philosophical question), machines 
can be aware of their environment in a mechanistic sense (suspiciously like how 
we are aware of our environment). A real AI machine would be a self learner and 
how dangerous such a machine might be would  probably be determined how 
autonomously it can function in the world and how complex its neural net is. 
  This has been the fodder of science fiction (Colossus:The Forbin Project; 
2001: A Space Odyssey and the Terminator series of motion pictures) where the 
technology goes awry. On the other hand science fiction has positive examples 
of this (City; The Bicentennial Man; The City and the Stars; and I Robot to 
name a few novels) where artificial intelligence is generally presented as 
beneficial in relation to biological organisms.
 
 
 ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <jr_esq@...> wrote :
 
  Elon Musk warns of the dangers of artificial intelligence.  Is he right? 
  
http://www.cnbc.com/id/102121127?__source=yahoo%7Cfinance%7Cheadline%7Cheadline%7Cstory&amp;par=yahoo&amp;doc=102121127#.
         
 
       
 
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