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On 10/26/2014 10:46 AM, salyavin808 wrote:

There are only 10 types of people in the world, those that understand binary and those that don't.

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote :

Bhairitu, it does seem like everything is binary even at the most fundamental levels: matter and energy; yin and yang; crest and trough of waves; impulses traveling via go and stop.

On Sunday, October 26, 2014 11:42 AM, "Bhairitu noozguru@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Funny, you know I hang out around TV circles and forums and I don't recall anyone saying that "Person of Interest" made history. Perhaps your grandfatherly crush on Ms Acker is clouding your judgment a bit. :-D

I caught an episode or two when it started but thought it was typical formulaic American TV and I had much better things to watch. But as far as being predictive even the title is something that emerged with the rise of the American Fascist State after 9/11 with our Nazi-like Homeland Security and Patriot Act. You're forgetting "A Scanner Darkly" which predates that show not to mention "1984" and even Fritz Lang's "Metropolis", not to mention numerous science fiction novels and short stories. In a way I thought that "Person of Interest" was trying to acclimatize Americans to the idea of constantly being watched. Right now they're trying to foment a lot of fear over ISIS and Ebola to take away even more of our civil liberties. Folks, don't stand for it.

Of course now we can watch the neighborhood ourselves as more and more of us get surveillance cameras being that the systems are affordable and don't require some monthly extortion fee from a security company. Funny thing there as a kid in the 1950s I would get the yearly Allied Radio catalog where I would buy electronic kits to build. But my dream thing to own back then in the late 1950s was a $300 TV camera they sold. It's main use was for business owners to hook up to a TV as a security camera. Needless to say I never came up with the $300.

As for AI, it could very well be a danger. After all the intellect is binary, just "yes" or "no". At the company I worked for in the 1990s a team was trying to build a product that would emulate human behavior. They were doing so by processing a long list of memes. I told them that was too complicated and mentioned that the intellect was binary and the human mind not that complicated. They thought I was nuts until one of our project leads came across a graduate paper published by a Berkeley student which demonstrated just that. The product shipped with just a few variables which reliably did emulate human behavior.

Where did my idea come from? Indian philosophy.

On 10/26/2014 03:41 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... <mailto:turquoiseb@...> [FairfieldLife] wrote:

    The most intelligent examination of AI in the entertainment world
    these days is a TV show called "Person Of Interest," created by
    Jonathon Nolan. Nolan is the brother of Christopher Nolan, and
    was co-writer of many of his big hits, such as "The Dark Night,"
    "The Dark Knight Rises," "The Prestige," and the short story on
    which his brother's "Memento" was based. He'll also be the writer
    of his brother's upcoming "Interstellar," already getting great
    reviews in previews.

    "Person Of Interest" made history by predicting a complex
    arrangement of computers and closed-circuit TV and surveillance
    equipment so vast and so uncontrolled that it could watch
    literally every minute of our lives. Interestingly, Nolan did
    this and put it on mainstream TV *before* Snowdon blew the
    whistle and revealed that the NSA had this ability in real life
    and was *already* watching pretty much every moment of our lives.

    The main difference in "Person Of Interest" is that the force
    behind all of this uber-surveillance is "the machine," an AI
    developed by Harold Finch (Michael Emerson from "Lost"). In the
    early seasons this AI gains sentience and begins to help Finch
    and his associates keep normal people from harm. But in the last
    two seasons it's taken a far darker turn, as a competing AI has
    entered the picture, and now they are dueling in cyberspace,
    trying to establish dominance.

    It's actually a fun and entertaining series. I particularly like
    Amy Acker as Root, a brilliant computer nerd/psychopath who first
    starts as an enemy of "the machine" and who later becomes its
    disciple. Yes, disciple. It "sees all, and knows all," so what,
    after all, distinguishes it from God?

    *From:* "anartaxius@... [FairfieldLife]"
    *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
    *Sent:* Saturday, October 25, 2014 11:04 PM
    *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: Rise of the Machines

    The dangers of human intelligence are known well enough. Maybe we
    should try something different? The problem is we are creating
    AI, if it mimics us, we can expect it to do the things we do.
    Regardless of whether we regard machines as conscious or not (an
    unanswered philosophical question), machines can be aware of
    their environment in a mechanistic sense (suspiciously like how
    we are aware of our environment). A real AI machine would be a
    self learner and how dangerous such a machine might be would
    probably be determined how autonomously it can function in the
    world and how complex its neural net is.

    This has been the fodder of science fiction (Colossus:The Forbin
    Project; 2001: A Space Odyssey and the Terminator series of
    motion pictures) where the technology goes awry. On the other
    hand science fiction has positive examples of this (City; The
    Bicentennial Man; The City and the Stars; andI Robot to name a
    few novels) where artificial intelligence is generally presented
    as beneficial in relation to biological organisms.

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    Elon Musk warns of the dangers of artificial intelligence.  Is he


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