Okay, things change. Git ready for change. Things are changing inside TM. There 
yet are a lot of good people in TM for good reasons and the organizational 
model and processes has changed since the demise of the founder. There is a lot 
more transparency and process. We'll see if you can change around this. 
  -Buck on the Ground in Fairfield


 mjackson74 wrote :
 my position is to call a spade a spade. What makes you think the people who 
learned their craft from Marshy who was a con artist and liar, who taught them 
that they were and are above the laws of man and considerations of ethical 
behavior because they are the custodians of "supreme knowledge" and are privy 
to a magnificent view of the universe that the rest of us are too coarse and 
ignorant to see would ever change what has been working for them all these 

 You are hanging onto a fantasy that will never be fulfilled. The TMO, its 
leaders, its mid level and low level managers all behave with that energy that 
Marshy taught them works - and none of it has ever done a thing for the people 
of the world, regardless of those who believe the very fact of getting a mantra 
is some big deal.

 To illustrate, I offer you a piece of writing my friend Bill sent me after I 
sent him the Gina Catena audio. I think Bill makes some cogent points, albeit 
from a Christian point of view.

"I have a friend who over the past 10 years or so pulled himself out of a 
marriage to a mentally ill and abusive wife.  It took a lot of counseling for 
him to recognize his situation, but he finally extricated himself and his 
teenage daughter from this situation.  


 One of the things he told me he learned from this experience is that families 
can become “cults”.  When you hear Gina Catina’s story, you realize that the 
TMO provides fertile ground for the most dysfunctional sides of families to 
express themselves and thrive.  The same kind of things can happen in 
Christendom, when a vision of “sanctification” becomes a thing of worship to 
the exclusion of common sense spirituality.
I was thinking today that most of the problems of the TMO came from the attempt 
to move beyond the original intention to simply provide a meditation technique. 

The TMO tried to provide a foundation on which to build community, completely 
ignoring and rejecting the traditional foundation -  organized religion and all 
it stands for.  The social context that Christianity provides is a model of 
spiritual growth through giving selflessly of oneself based on the example of 
Jesus, whereas in the TMO this basic social context is absent.  The TM context 
is based on a selfish pursuit of self development at all costs.  

At the top of the TMO is a man who achieved something by sitting in a cave and 
having people take care of him.  This has it place and its own value, but 
doesn’t translate into a foundation for a social system.  

In spite of all the talk of dynamic activity, it doesn’t translate.  The 
ultimate message is one of disassociation of yourself not only from the 
activities of the world, but also from relationship with each other.  Compound 
that with a belief system where the man at the top is a perfect human being, 
and you have fertile ground for all kinds of dysfunction."


 Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 11:38 PM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] FFL, Hating, Turq, Ethics, and Belief in God is a 
form of mental illness
   Om, Dear MJ; under a theory that ethics is a leading economic indicator of 
organizational life, could your vitriolic level as to TM, the Maharishi and the 
meditation he promulgated and some of TM's past leadership be malleable if the 
new TM movement has changed its ethical code and behavior? Or, are you locked 
in to your feelings and opinion? Just wondering. I am seeing quite a lot of 
change [movement] in the new TM movement.  Does that kind of healthy change 
dismay your position?

 mjackson74 wrote :
 The fact that they had that ['Explicative Deleted] Bob Schneider, a 
cardiologist, doing a lecture on Vedic psychiatry which was primarily more 
Movement bullshit of think sweet thoughts, don't think negative thoughts, read 
Hindoo scriptures and do TM - that says what the Movement really thinks and is 
doing about TM suicides than the community meetings they are participating in 
ONLY to save face and put on a good show until they can get the people 
suffering from depression alone to tell them its their fault, their karma, they 
just aren't pure enough yet, so more TM Siddhi practice and some yagyas as well 
as a good big fat donation to the Movement will cure them. 


 From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:27 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form 
of mental illness


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote :

 Oh no no no no Sal! Haven't you read Share's gushing posts about what a grand 
effort the TMO is officially putting forth to combat suicides in Fairfield??? 
They certainly don't need to admit TM isn't the cure for all things. They are 
doing all SORTS of fabulous things, all created and orchestrated by the 
magnificent TMO!!


 I'm sure we'll see whether what they offer officially is of any worth. Seems 
to me that if they break down the mystique of TM as the single greatest thing 
for human development then it will only be a matter of time before someone 
questions the validity of their position on the unified field of consciousness 
and all that that entails. Maybe they'll even start to wonder about the ME or 
yagya's, from small acorns can mighty oaks grow. Or the other way round of 
course! There is no excuse for continuing to preach an all encompassing world 
view without any evidence to back it up and still call it a science.

 Shorn of the religious hyperbole the TMO might become a more realistic school 
of thought and might do more good in the world when it isn't scaring off anyone 
who doesn't like the sight of crowns and ranks of chanting Hindoo boys and 
teaching astrology in schools.

 From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
 To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
 Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:05 AM
 Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of 
mental illness


---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

 salyavin808 asks:
 So, what happened at the meeting, who said what and what are they going to do 
about it? 
 Dateline Fairfield, Iowa. The meeting? It was one in a continuation of working 
meetings held about mental health in the community that have been ongoing for 
months now most every Tuesday going under the working banner of the Fairfield 
Mental Health Alliance. These are working meetings of people who are interested 
in being activley involved in helping with communal mental health. On 
alternating Tuesdays are working committee meetings while on the off Tuesdays 
is the large group meeting where the committees bring their work. The larger 
meetings are very business like organized by agenda. A lot has been done 
[accomplished in very tangible ways] over several months to facilitate mental 
health in to the community. 
 The meetings are open to interested people who would be actively involved. 
They are not gripe sessions where people just hate, bitch and complain, but 
working meetings looking for action steps to work on and facilitate. Different 
aspects have been focused on and worked on within the ongoing previous meeting 
process. Last month before this last meeting the other night was the 
presentation and distribution of the campus guideline for psychological health 
treatment. That was a historic meeting and showed the work of a lot of people. 
 This current meeting the other night was a facilitated meeting getting down to 
the cultural things that may underlie meditator communal mental health. 
Everything came on to the table. It was really well facilitated.  Evidently it 
is now time in the process to really consider elements of our culture.  There 
were about 40 people around the room of various ages and rank in the community. 
The meeting had a cross-section representation of students, graduates of the 
whole school system, long-term community meditators, campus people, and 
movement leadership. 
  It was extremely well facilitated lasting within and hour or so such that 
everyone was asked to speak and participate in a series of rounds around the 
room where everyone was asked by the facilitator who ran the meeting to respond 
to particular questions in short and those comments were captured on whiteboard 
and poster boards by scribes in front of everyone to be kept and read through 
out the meeting. 
 Starting with a question something like, in only a few limited words and 
without statement what do you see the problem is here in the community culture 
with mental health? 5 or so words. It went around the room. Then once 
everything was on the boards in front of everyone came the next question, in a 
word how do you feel now about all that was said? It went around the room to 
everyone including movement leadership. 'Hopeful' was a common comment among a 
range of feelings.
 Last large question of the group was something like, in five words what should 
be done to effect change in the communal culture? Again time was taken to go 
entirely around the room and the answers were recorded by scribes on boards in 
front of the whole group to read. That went around the whole room and 
everything was said without comment or discussion.  It just moved around the 
room to everyone.  These were pertinent action points. 
 In the end of the meeting then everyone was asked to come forward and 
physically vote with a limited number of hash-marks to what they felt were the 
most important points offered in the meeting. That data then will subsequently 
generate a report with priority for a future meeting about what it might take 
to change the culture of the movement around mental health. It was all very 
open and very well done.  Communal process to continue,,
 # #
 Now, as the science evidently does seem to indicate do take some quiet time 
for effective transcendent meditation for the welfare of your mental health and 
go forth and have a better day. 
 Jai Guru Dev,
 -Buck in the Dome

 Good for you guys for taking it seriously, it seems to me that for there to be 
an actual organisation to confront the issue means there must be quite a 
problem. Or is it that the usual therapies and professionals that the average 
person goes in search of aren't there due to the self-help nature of the town 

 There are many paths to wellness, everyone has to find their own way I think 
as we all respond in different ways and have different needs. But as long as 
they know have options and won't get ostracised, it's a good step. So a well 
stocked library is essential too I think, reading about how problems develop 
and can be treated might be a good start for a lot of people, it might 
familiarise them as to how the mind works as opposed to what they've been 
taught by the TMO which has a woefully incomplete picture of how the 
personality works not to mention a very unhealthy attitude to mental problems 
to start with. As is evidenced by the fact that you need to hold meetings about 
mental health in the first place.

 I don't credit this "vedic" treatment plan as being worth the effort, it might 
help a few but it'll be because some people are helped just by having someone 
to talk to. It depends what the problems are, how they started and how deep 
rooted they are. An admission that TM is no panacea for all can only be a good 
thing and I'll be interested in any news about how the TMO responds.

 Admitting there is a problem is always the first step in conquering it as they 





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