On 10/26/2014 11:11 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
my position is to call a spade a spade.
/You were not "calling a spade a spade" when Barry claimed he saw a guy levitate hundreds of times.

So, I conclude that you are a biased informant. //You suck as an informant because you have no secret insider information about the Hindu pundit boys or what goes on inside the golden dome. Everyone knows that nothing good ever came out of the MIU bakery. //Deal with it./
What makes you think the people who learned their craft from Marshy who was a con artist and liar, who taught them that they were and are above the laws of man and considerations of ethical behavior because they are the custodians of "supreme knowledge" and are privy to a magnificent view of the universe that the rest of us are too coarse and ignorant to see would ever change what has been working for them all these decades?

You are hanging onto a fantasy that will never be fulfilled. The TMO, its leaders, its mid level and low level managers all behave with that energy that Marshy taught them works - and none of it has ever done a thing for the people of the world, regardless of those who believe the very fact of getting a mantra is some big deal.

To illustrate, I offer you a piece of writing my friend Bill sent me after I sent him the Gina Catena audio. I think Bill makes some cogent points, albeit from a Christian point of view.

"I have a friend who over the past 10 years or so pulled himself out of a marriage to a mentally ill and abusive wife. It took a lot of counseling for him to recognize his situation, but he finally extricated himself and his teenage daughter from this situation.

One of the things he told me he learned from this experience is that families can become “cults”. When you hear Gina Catina’s story, you realize that the TMO provides fertile ground for the most dysfunctional sides of families to express themselves and thrive. The same kind of things can happen in Christendom, when a vision of “sanctification” becomes a thing of worship to the exclusion of common sense spirituality.

I was thinking today that most of the problems of the TMO came from the attempt to move beyond the original intention to simply provide a meditation technique.

The TMO tried to provide a foundation on which to build community, completely ignoring and rejecting the traditional foundation - organized religion and all it stands for. The social context that Christianity provides is a model of spiritual growth through giving selflessly of oneself based on the example of Jesus, whereas in the TMO this basic social context is absent. The TM context is based on a selfish pursuit of self development at all costs.

At the top of the TMO is a man who achieved something by sitting in a cave and having people take care of him. This has it place and its own value, but doesn’t translate into a foundation for a social system.

In spite of all the talk of dynamic activity, it doesn’t translate. The ultimate message is one of disassociation of yourself not only from the activities of the world, but also from relationship with each other. Compound that with a belief system where the man at the top is a perfect human being, and you have fertile ground for all kinds of dysfunction."

*From:* "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Sunday, October 26, 2014 11:38 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] FFL, Hating, Turq, Ethics, and Belief in God is a form of mental illness

Om, Dear MJ; under a theory that ethics is a leading economic indicator of organizational life, could your vitriolic level as to TM, the Maharishi and the meditation he promulgated and some of TM's past leadership be malleable if the new TM movement has changed its ethical code and behavior? Or, are you locked in to your feelings and opinion? Just wondering. I am seeing quite a lot of change [movement] in the new TM movement. Does that kind of healthy change dismay your position?

mjackson74 wrote :

The fact that they had that ['Explicative Deleted] Bob Schneider, a cardiologist, doing a lecture on Vedic psychiatry which was primarily more Movement bullshit of think sweet thoughts, don't think negative thoughts, read Hindoo scriptures and do TM - that says what the Movement really thinks and is doing about TM suicides than the community meetings they are participating in ONLY to save face and put on a good show until they can get the people suffering from depression alone to tell them its their fault, their karma, they just aren't pure enough yet, so more TM Siddhi practice and some yagyas as well as a good big fat donation to the Movement will cure them.

*From:* salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:27 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote :

Oh no no no no Sal! Haven't you read Share's gushing posts about what a grand effort the TMO is officially putting forth to combat suicides in Fairfield??? They certainly don't need to admit TM isn't the cure for all things. They are doing all SORTS of fabulous things, all created and orchestrated by the magnificent TMO!!

I'm sure we'll see whether what they offer officially is of any worth. Seems to me that if they break down the mystique of TM as the single greatest thing for human development then it will only be a matter of time before someone questions the validity of their position on the unified field of consciousness and all that that entails. Maybe they'll even start to wonder about the ME or yagya's, from small acorns can mighty oaks grow. Or the other way round of course! There is no excuse for continuing to preach an all encompassing world view without any evidence to back it up and still call it a science.

Shorn of the religious hyperbole the TMO might become a more realistic school of thought and might do more good in the world when it isn't scaring off anyone who doesn't like the sight of crowns and ranks of chanting Hindoo boys and teaching astrology in schools.

*From:* salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
*To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
*Sent:* Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:05 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a form of mental illness

---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

So, what happened at the meeting, who said what and what are they going to do about it?

Dateline Fairfield, Iowa. The meeting? It was one in a continuation of working meetings held about mental health in the community that have been ongoing for months now most every Tuesday going under the working banner of the Fairfield Mental Health Alliance. These are working meetings of people who are interested in being activley involved in helping with communal mental health. On alternating Tuesdays are working committee meetings while on the off Tuesdays is the large group meeting where the committees bring their work. The larger meetings are very business like organized by agenda. A lot has been done [accomplished in very tangible ways] over several months to facilitate mental health in to the community. The meetings are open to interested people who would be actively involved. They are not gripe sessions where people just hate, bitch and complain, but working meetings looking for action steps to work on and facilitate. Different aspects have been focused on and worked on within the ongoing previous meeting process. Last month before this last meeting the other night was the presentation and distribution of the campus guideline for psychological health treatment. That was a historic meeting and showed the work of a lot of people.

This current meeting the other night was a facilitated meeting getting down to the cultural things that may underlie meditator communal mental health. Everything came on to the table. It was really well facilitated. Evidently it is now time in the process to really consider elements of our culture. There were about 40 people around the room of various ages and rank in the community. The meeting had a cross-section representation of students, graduates of the whole school system, long-term community meditators, campus people, and movement leadership. It was extremely well facilitated lasting within and hour or so such that everyone was asked to speak and participate in a series of rounds around the room where everyone was asked by the facilitator who ran the meeting to respond to particular questions in short and those comments were captured on whiteboard and poster boards by scribes in front of everyone to be kept and read through out the meeting. Starting with a question something like, in only a few limited words and without statement what do you see the problem is here in the community culture with mental health? 5 or so words. It went around the room. Then once everything was on the boards in front of everyone came the next question, in a word how do you feel now about all that was said? It went around the room to everyone including movement leadership. 'Hopeful' was a common comment among a range of feelings. Last large question of the group was something like, in five words what should be done to effect change in the communal culture? Again time was taken to go entirely around the room and the answers were recorded by scribes on boards in front of the whole group to read. That went around the whole room and everything was said without comment or discussion. It just moved around the room to everyone. These were pertinent action points. In the end of the meeting then everyone was asked to come forward and physically vote with a limited number of hash-marks to what they felt were the most important points offered in the meeting. That data then will subsequently generate a report with priority for a future meeting about what it might take to change the culture of the movement around mental health. It was all very open and very well done. Communal process to continue,,
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Now, as the science evidently does seem to indicate do take some quiet time for effective transcendent meditation for the welfare of your mental health and go forth and have a better day.
Jai Guru Dev,
-Buck in the Dome

Good for you guys for taking it seriously, it seems to me that for there to be an actual organisation to confront the issue means there must be quite a problem. Or is it that the usual therapies and professionals that the average person goes in search of aren't there due to the self-help nature of the town generally?

There are many paths to wellness, everyone has to find their own way I think as we all respond in different ways and have different needs. But as long as they know have options and won't get ostracised, it's a good step. So a well stocked library is essential too I think, reading about how problems develop and can be treated might be a good start for a lot of people, it might familiarise them as to how the mind works as opposed to what they've been taught by the TMO which has a woefully incomplete picture of how the personality works not to mention a very unhealthy attitude to mental problems to start with. As is evidenced by the fact that you need to hold meetings about mental health in the first place.

I don't credit this "vedic" treatment plan as being worth the effort, it might help a few but it'll be because some people are helped just by having someone to talk to. It depends what the problems are, how they started and how deep rooted they are. An admission that TM is no panacea for all can only be a good thing and I'll be interested in any news about how the TMO responds.

Admitting there is a problem is always the first step in conquering it as they say...

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