On 10/26/2014 11:11 PM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com
my position is to call a spade a spade.
/You were not "calling a spade a spade" when Barry claimed he saw a guy
levitate hundreds of times.
So, I conclude that you are a biased informant. //You suck as an
informant because you have no secret insider information about the Hindu
pundit boys or what goes on inside the golden dome. Everyone knows that
nothing good ever came out of the MIU bakery. //Deal with it./
What makes you think the people who learned their craft from Marshy
who was a con artist and liar, who taught them that they were and are
above the laws of man and considerations of ethical behavior because
they are the custodians of "supreme knowledge" and are privy to a
magnificent view of the universe that the rest of us are too coarse
and ignorant to see would ever change what has been working for them
all these decades?
You are hanging onto a fantasy that will never be fulfilled. The TMO,
its leaders, its mid level and low level managers all behave with that
energy that Marshy taught them works - and none of it has ever done a
thing for the people of the world, regardless of those who believe the
very fact of getting a mantra is some big deal.
To illustrate, I offer you a piece of writing my friend Bill sent me
after I sent him the Gina Catena audio. I think Bill makes some cogent
points, albeit from a Christian point of view.
"I have a friend who over the past 10 years or so pulled himself out
of a marriage to a mentally ill and abusive wife. It took a lot of
counseling for him to recognize his situation, but he finally
extricated himself and his teenage daughter from this situation.
One of the things he told me he learned from this experience is that
families can become “cults”. When you hear Gina Catina’s story, you
realize that the TMO provides fertile ground for the most
dysfunctional sides of families to express themselves and thrive. The
same kind of things can happen in Christendom, when a vision of
“sanctification” becomes a thing of worship to the exclusion of common
I was thinking today that most of the problems of the TMO came from
the attempt to move beyond the original intention to simply provide a
The TMO tried to provide a foundation on which to build community,
completely ignoring and rejecting the traditional foundation -
organized religion and all it stands for. The social context that
Christianity provides is a model of spiritual growth through giving
selflessly of oneself based on the example of Jesus, whereas in the
TMO this basic social context is absent. The TM context is based on a
selfish pursuit of self development at all costs.
At the top of the TMO is a man who achieved something by sitting in a
cave and having people take care of him. This has it place and its
own value, but doesn’t translate into a foundation for a social system.
In spite of all the talk of dynamic activity, it doesn’t translate.
The ultimate message is one of disassociation of yourself not only
from the activities of the world, but also from relationship with each
other. Compound that with a belief system where the man at the top is
a perfect human being, and you have fertile ground for all kinds of
*From:* "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
*Sent:* Sunday, October 26, 2014 11:38 PM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] FFL, Hating, Turq, Ethics, and Belief in
God is a form of mental illness
Om, Dear MJ; under a theory that ethics is a leading economic
indicator of organizational life, could your vitriolic level as to TM,
the Maharishi and the meditation he promulgated and some of TM's past
leadership be malleable if the new TM movement has changed its ethical
code and behavior? Or, are you locked in to your feelings and opinion?
Just wondering. I am seeing quite a lot of change [movement] in the
new TM movement. Does that kind of healthy change dismay your position?
mjackson74 wrote :
The fact that they had that ['Explicative Deleted] Bob Schneider, a
cardiologist, doing a lecture on Vedic psychiatry which was primarily
more Movement bullshit of think sweet thoughts, don't think negative
thoughts, read Hindoo scriptures and do TM - that says what the
Movement really thinks and is doing about TM suicides than the
community meetings they are participating in ONLY to save face and put
on a good show until they can get the people suffering from depression
alone to tell them its their fault, their karma, they just aren't pure
enough yet, so more TM Siddhi practice and some yagyas as well as a
good big fat donation to the Movement will cure them.
*From:* salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:27 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God
is a form of mental illness
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote :
Oh no no no no Sal! Haven't you read Share's gushing posts about what
a grand effort the TMO is officially putting forth to combat suicides
in Fairfield??? They certainly don't need to admit TM isn't the cure
for all things. They are doing all SORTS of fabulous things, all
created and orchestrated by the magnificent TMO!!
I'm sure we'll see whether what they offer officially is of any worth.
Seems to me that if they break down the mystique of TM as the single
greatest thing for human development then it will only be a matter of
time before someone questions the validity of their position on the
unified field of consciousness and all that that entails. Maybe
they'll even start to wonder about the ME or yagya's, from small
acorns can mighty oaks grow. Or the other way round of course! There
is no excuse for continuing to preach an all encompassing world view
without any evidence to back it up and still call it a science.
Shorn of the religious hyperbole the TMO might become a more realistic
school of thought and might do more good in the world when it isn't
scaring off anyone who doesn't like the sight of crowns and ranks of
chanting Hindoo boys and teaching astrology in schools.
*From:* salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
*Sent:* Sunday, October 26, 2014 9:05 AM
*Subject:* [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Hating Turq and Belief in God is a
form of mental illness
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :
So, what happened at the meeting, who said what and what are they
going to do about it?
Dateline Fairfield, Iowa. The meeting? It was one in a continuation of
working meetings held about mental health in the community that have
been ongoing for months now most every Tuesday going under the working
banner of the Fairfield Mental Health Alliance. These are working
meetings of people who are interested in being activley involved in
helping with communal mental health. On alternating Tuesdays are
working committee meetings while on the off Tuesdays is the large
group meeting where the committees bring their work. The larger
meetings are very business like organized by agenda. A lot has been
done [accomplished in very tangible ways] over several months to
facilitate mental health in to the community.
The meetings are open to interested people who would be actively
involved. They are not gripe sessions where people just hate, bitch
and complain, but working meetings looking for action steps to work on
and facilitate. Different aspects have been focused on and worked on
within the ongoing previous meeting process. Last month before this
last meeting the other night was the presentation and distribution of
the campus guideline for psychological health treatment. That was a
historic meeting and showed the work of a lot of people.
This current meeting the other night was a facilitated meeting getting
down to the cultural things that may underlie meditator communal
mental health. Everything came on to the table. It was really well
facilitated. Evidently it is now time in the process to really
consider elements of our culture. There were about 40 people around
the room of various ages and rank in the community. The meeting had a
cross-section representation of students, graduates of the whole
school system, long-term community meditators, campus people, and
It was extremely well facilitated lasting within and hour or so such
that everyone was asked to speak and participate in a series of rounds
around the room where everyone was asked by the facilitator who ran
the meeting to respond to particular questions in short and those
comments were captured on whiteboard and poster boards by scribes in
front of everyone to be kept and read through out the meeting.
Starting with a question something like, in only a few limited words
and without statement what do you see the problem is here in the
community culture with mental health? 5 or so words. It went around
the room. Then once everything was on the boards in front of everyone
came the next question, in a word how do you feel now about all that
was said? It went around the room to everyone including movement
leadership. 'Hopeful' was a common comment among a range of feelings.
Last large question of the group was something like, in five words
what should be done to effect change in the communal culture? Again
time was taken to go entirely around the room and the answers were
recorded by scribes on boards in front of the whole group to read.
That went around the whole room and everything was said without
comment or discussion. It just moved around the room to everyone.
These were pertinent action points.
In the end of the meeting then everyone was asked to come forward and
physically vote with a limited number of hash-marks to what they felt
were the most important points offered in the meeting. That data then
will subsequently generate a report with priority for a future meeting
about what it might take to change the culture of the movement around
mental health. It was all very open and very well done. Communal
process to continue,,
Now, as the science evidently does seem to indicate do take some quiet
time for effective transcendent meditation for the welfare of your
mental health and go forth and have a better day.
Jai Guru Dev,
-Buck in the Dome
Good for you guys for taking it seriously, it seems to me that for
there to be an actual organisation to confront the issue means there
must be quite a problem. Or is it that the usual therapies and
professionals that the average person goes in search of aren't there
due to the self-help nature of the town generally?
There are many paths to wellness, everyone has to find their own way I
think as we all respond in different ways and have different needs.
But as long as they know have options and won't get ostracised, it's a
good step. So a well stocked library is essential too I think, reading
about how problems develop and can be treated might be a good start
for a lot of people, it might familiarise them as to how the mind
works as opposed to what they've been taught by the TMO which has a
woefully incomplete picture of how the personality works not to
mention a very unhealthy attitude to mental problems to start with. As
is evidenced by the fact that you need to hold meetings about mental
health in the first place.
I don't credit this "vedic" treatment plan as being worth the effort,
it might help a few but it'll be because some people are helped just
by having someone to talk to. It depends what the problems are, how
they started and how deep rooted they are. An admission that TM is no
panacea for all can only be a good thing and I'll be interested in any
news about how the TMO responds.
Admitting there is a problem is always the first step in conquering it
as they say...