It is curious that the guy who barely qualifies as an atheist, or maybe doesn't 
quality at all, feels the need to push the atheists agenda the hardest. 

 I guess he needs to try to convince himself, or prove to others, what an 
avowed atheist he is by coming up with these initiatives.

 "Hey everyone, look at this plan I've come up with.  It'll really stick it to 
those believers".

 Sure it will, Barry.  Sure it will.




---In, <turquoiseb@...> wrote :

 Because it's FAITH, dummies. They believe the things they believe without 
evidence, and without any proof that they're true. 

This is an OK state to live in as long as they are surrounded by people who all 
believe the same things, with the same absence of evidence. Being surrounded by 
other believers provides a kind of "insulation" against the cognitive 
dissonance that might arise if they were forced to address the fact that they 
believe in things that they can't make a rational case for believing. One of 
the biggest "draws" of living in a cult community IS this environment of being 
surrounded by fellow believers, so that this cognitive dissonance never comes 

But it's the age of the Internet, and unless the believers have their head so 
far in the sand that they don't ever access it, sooner or later they're going 
to run into someone who is going to hear what they believe and point out that 
from a rational point of view they believe in silly things that they originally 
accepted without proof, and that they continue to accept without proof. 

Stuff like "the meditation technique I was taught is the best and most 
effective in the entire world." This is a completely delusional and 
insupportable belief unless the person stating it has actually *learned and 
practiced* ALL other techniques of meditation in the world. And yet millions of 
TMers have repeated it for years, and continue to do so, all without evidence. 

Stuff like, "the practice of the TMSP makes my mind 10,000 times more powerful 
than the 'lesser' minds of those who don't practice it." Again, this belief is 
downright delusional, because there is and has never been any evidence to 
support it. Yet again TMers will repeat it because they've heard the leaders of 
the organization that taught it to them repeat it so often. 

But sooner or later these True Believers run into someone who points out that 
all of this stuff sounds downright crazy to them, and asks the TBs to provide 
some rational argument or evidence for the things they believe. 

And they CAN'T. 

Because there is none. They chose to believe this stuff on pure faith, and now 
that the beliefs been challenged, they realize that faith is all they have. 

Not being willing to admit this, the TBs get ANGRY. They lash out at the people 
asking for evidence of what they believe, call them names, and do anything they 
can to make them shut up and stop saying the things they're saying. 

But IMO this is *misplaced anger*. The True Believers aren't *really* angry at 
the people who have pointed out that they believe things for which there is no 
evidence and no rational explanation. They're angry at THEMSELVES, for having 
been so gullible as to have believed these things for so many years without 
ever even *noticing* that they're believing things for which there is no 
evidence and no rational explanation. They're angry at THEMSELVES for having 
backed themselves into a corner in which their own gullibility and lack of 
intelligence is being pointed out for all to see. 

But really, wouldn't it be more sane to take some of this cognitive dissonance 
they feel and *examine* it to see whether the things they've believed for so 
long really *deserve* their belief, rather than get their panties in a twist 
and turn into cultists trying to silence the critics? 

We TM critics *understand* your anger and your embarrassment about the things 
you've believed for so many years or decades. Because to some extent we 
believed them, too. 

What we don't understand is your willingness to *continue* believing in these 
thing once the lack of proof for them has been pointed out. What we don't 
understand is how you can justify lashing out at people whose only real crime 
is pointing out the lack of evidence for the things you believe in, instead of 
doing a little "inner work" and trying to figure out whether these beliefs 
might be better thrown away than held onto. We don't understand how you can 
take the embarrassment of having believed unbelievable things for decades and 
then add MORE embarrassment on top of it by acting like cultists. 




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