Ann, You're correct. We have a case here of human beings who want to be gods. If they can walk on water or fly, other people may believe that they're supermen, but not necessarily divine.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <jr_esq@...> wrote : Salyavin, You seem to think that your reasoning is the only right way. We can ask you the same thing. What made you think you are correct and the pope is wrong? John, if your name is "The Pope" then you're already working against great odds with these guys. Just giving them a whiff of anything resembling God or religion or cause or order is enough to give them the heebee jeebies. Give them a little space, they can't seem to handle too much reality. More below: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote : He sounds like a terminal dimwit to me, if he accepts that we could have evolved this complexity without god's help then why does he think we need god at all? Listen to this: The pope explained that God "created beings and let them develop in accordance with the internal laws that He has given to each one, so that they could arrive at their fulfillment," Brilliant statement. Think about it, don't react to it, Sal. How can you create beings and THEN let them develop? There's only one law that governs all evolution and that is the principle of random genetic mutations creating genes that get spread through the population, or not. There is no fulfillment plan in nature. The guy gives a talk to an alleged pontifical scientific academy and they don't seem to know the first thing about any of it. Either the complexity we see in life was arrived at without help or god decided what everything was going to be like. You can't have your cake and eat it. Claiming that god gave a plan to each being for them to fulfill means that god must understand the workings of beings and must have planned for every creature that exists. This means that god holds all knowledge and the evidence we have of the evolution of complexity and intelligence effectively didn't happen over millions of years but were decided in advance by a supernatural being. The pope is therefore a creationist. We always suspected this given his job title, but it must be such an intellectual embarrassment for him I'm not surprised he tries to hide behind some sort of scientific facade with his academy. I don;t suppose the followers will object though, as long as they can carry on thinking there's a role for their creator that seems to fit in with science they'll be happy. Just a tad reactive are we? What happened, did some nun take a ruler to you when you were young and sensitive and innocent and open to the mysteries of the world around you? When, exactly, did you feel it necessary to grasp onto slide rules and test tubes to grant you the security you sought in your confusion?