/Will you please stop changing the subject line and just start a new
thread, Buck? Most of the time, supplying a simple URL is all that is
needed with a few comments - you don't need to copy and paste the entire
article. Thanks for the information./
On 10/29/2014 9:12 AM, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote:
FF Mental Health Alliance Tuesday, 10/28/14
Yes, let’s use Tuesday’s meeting to identify our specific points of focus:
* We will be primarily focused on following-up on the great work
that Ken did last week on culture and this community.
* We will be checking in with everyone if there are other
announcements or issues that need to be addressed.
* We will also look at some of the website updates, as well as other
projects that need to be addressed.
* _Other past areas that we will also address, as time permits:_
* Updates and recommendations/action steps from the groups?
* Fairfield Mental Help website — content gathering and assembling?
* Ideas for follow-up community meetings?
* Progress from Mental Health First Aid meeting?
* Any residual dissuasion from last Sundays big meeting on campus
that needs to be addressed?
* What do we create now from this work?
* Next event on, or off, campus?
* Check in on how we’re doing on the whole. Are we headed in the
right direction? Any course corrections needed? Any further
* Hear from each of the small groups on their progress.
* See if we have enough people to form the Resources group we
planned on, and enough professionals to form the Professionals group.
* Meet again in small groups — since this is where the action is at
* Individually check in as to what you are up to in creating
a difference our community, and if you need any support from the
rest of the group, or find out if you have suggestions and ideas
for the rest of the group.
"Let’s do think of the most interesting, useful, practical,
informative, behavior-and-attitude-changing topics we can." Craig
Let me know if there are any agenda items that you personally have
that you want to develop at this meeting, please let me know. If you
are not on Atrium, or have not been on there since last week, please
log on and contribute your thoughts. We want to hear what you are
Looking forward to seeing all of you again.
The Fairfield Mental Health Alliance
October 5^th Meeting Notes
You asked: What did you think about (the Oct 5 meeting) last night?
Look this has been about creating change and that meeting was a timely
showing of some progress of change. The meeting was not the conclusive
meeting but it does show the movement has changed some and all the
people on stage help show the integration this is taking.
On the left hand of the stage as the audience viewed it were all these
different practicing clinical professionals who also have integrated
alternative modalities in to their practices as they are useful and
have basis, and then Pat on the right side clarifying and holding up
the movement's franchise. Pat did quite a deft job clarifying on
behalf of the movement and Maharishi. Afterall, it was a movement
community meeting. Pat is really quite controlled smart, homey, funny,
and theatrical all at once. I enjoyed watching him. It was really
This is the second meeting where he has spoken for our collective
practical concern as to compassion and our working to help people
solve mental health issues being essentially compassionate.. [very
It will be very interesting to hear when that language of compassion
gets picked up, adopted and used by spokespersons up the chain of TM
command. That actually is extremely interesting that he is changing
the inside by leading with that idea. It has always been said that TM
is without heart, well then if it is not a trick then we see this
movement of the movement from the upper level around this whole mental
health thing is showing some heart, even though it took boxing them in
to a corner to help them show it. This is quite a change.
Question of course now is the carry-through. There is more work to do
to figure out the practical delivery of policy. The clinic, type of
credentialed staffing, and how they are going to administrate those
trip-wire questions on their forms. That MUM student who spoke in the
Q and A was very effective at holding their feet to the fire once
again in public. They got to come up with more compassion to show on
that one for people to believe them.
It is about showing change on their part. Compassion? Their
administrative banishing of Tom Allen was not the timely example of
any change there. Opps. An long-time old meditator and yes with
criticisms of the organization which they were soliciting to hear, but
an apostate? No, not then. Hurt now? yes. Not great timing for the
handling of one of the poster persons of /Fairfield Cares/.
Incrementally the meeting was an important meeting strategically. It
will be another step when they have the confidence to post the policy
to point to on their webpage.
-Buck in the Dome
Okay, things change. Git ready for change. Things are changing inside
TM. There yet are a lot of good people in TM for good reasons and the
organizational model and processes has changed since the demise of the
founder. There is a lot more transparency and process. We'll see if
you can change around this.
-Buck on the Ground in Fairfield
mjackson74 wrote :
The fact that they had that ['Explicative Deleted] Bob Schneider, a
cardiologist, doing a lecture on Vedic psychiatry which was primarily
more Movement bullshit of think sweet thoughts, don't think negative
thoughts, read Hindoo scriptures and do TM - that says what the
Movement really thinks and is doing about TM suicides than the
community meetings they are participating in ONLY to save face and put
on a good show until they can get the people suffering from depression
alone to tell them its their fault, their karma, they just aren't pure
enough yet, so more TM Siddhi practice and some yagyas as well as a
good big fat donation to the Movement will cure them.
So, what happened at the meeting, who said what and what are they
going to do about it?
Dateline Fairfield, Iowa. The Oct 21st meeting? It was one in a
continuation of working meetings held about mental health in the
community that have been ongoing for months now most every Tuesday
going under the working banner of the Fairfield Mental Health
Alliance. These are working meetings of people who are interested in
being activley involved in helping with communal mental health. On
alternating Tuesdays are working committee meetings while on the off
Tuesdays is the large group meeting where the committees bring their
work. The larger meetings are very business like organized by agenda.
A lot has been done [accomplished in very tangible ways] over several
months to facilitate mental health in to the community.
The meetings are open to interested people who would be actively
involved. They are not gripe sessions where people just hate, bitch
and complain, but working meetings looking for action steps to work on
and facilitate. Different aspects have been focused on and worked on
within the ongoing previous meeting process. Last month before this
last meeting the other night was the presentation and distribution of
the campus guideline for psychological health treatment. That was a
historic meeting and showed the work of a lot of people.
This current meeting the other night was a facilitated meeting getting
down to the cultural things that may underlie meditator communal
mental health. Everything came on to the table. It was really well
facilitated. Evidently it is now time in the process to really
consider elements of our culture. There were about 40 people around
the room of various ages and rank in the community. The meeting had a
cross-section representation of students, graduates of the whole
school system, long-term community meditators, campus people, and
It was extremely well facilitated lasting within and hour or so such
that everyone was asked to speak and participate in a series of rounds
around the room where everyone was asked by the facilitator who ran
the meeting to respond to particular questions in short and those
comments were captured on whiteboard and poster boards by scribes in
front of everyone to be kept and read through out the meeting.
Starting with a question something like, in only a few limited words
and without statement what do you see the problem is here in the
community culture with mental health? 5 or so words. It went around
the room. Then once everything was on the boards in front of everyone
came the next question, in a word how do you feel now about all that
was said? It went around the room to everyone including movement
leadership. 'Hopeful' was a common comment among a range of feelings.
Last large question of the group was something like, in five words
what should be done to effect change in the communal culture? Again
time was taken to go entirely around the room and the answers were
recorded by scribes on boards in front of the whole group to read.
That went around the whole room and everything was said without
comment or discussion. It just moved around the room to everyone.
These were pertinent action points.
In the end of the meeting then everyone was asked to come forward and
physically vote with a limited number of hash-marks to what they felt
were the most important points offered in the meeting. That data then
will subsequently generate a report with priority for a future meeting
about what it might take to change the culture of the movement around
mental health. It was all very open and very well done. Communal
process to continue,,
Now, as the science evidently does seem to indicate do take some quiet
time for effective transcendent meditation for the welfare of your
mental health and go forth and have a better day.
Jai Guru Dev,
-Buck in the Dome
? “..the role of principle Barry hater - and you have to admire the
No, we all rate posts as we may read them on spectrum; from posts that
make: Observations, to suggestions, to criticism, by negativity and
tone, to apostasy, thence to active anger and hating. In reading these
posts I feel Ann through reading the individual postings here simply
lost some faith more in Turq by her better understanding of his
writing and approach here after reading the Lenz book that was posted
here. It is that simple also.
I always read the Turq and feel he has a valid perspective from
having 'been there' at a time, by his contrast with spiritual
experience like Fleet's, and now I feel I have an even better
understanding of him as a critic from this recent Freddy Lenz/Rama
thread on FFL. Context often is everything.
That is something that is particularly good about the writing on FFL,
that it often can render down what is truth. Judy was very much part
of that process when she was here. Ann also helps with that by virtue
of her mind about things and by life experience as context about
things here. Some here have been pricks and Ann may be prickly towards
people at times. Rick seems to welcome almost everyone contributing
to the related topics of FairfieldLife. I thank Rick for that. Public
forum is often one of the best checks against theocratic tyranny.
There was an amazing open meeting last night in meditating Fairfield
where everything was on the table in front of a bunch of the higher-up
apparatchiks of the new TM movement. For upward pressures on the
organization being beyond theocratic control, FFL has long been a part
of the calculus of the meditating Fairfield communal culture.
There is a lot of change going on inside right now by virtue of the
attention of public forum. Turq in his way has been part of that for
years by force of his experience, personality and writing. I would
miss him if he gets entirely hounded or completely embarrassed off of
this forum. In the same way I feel it was really mean the way they
hounded Judy personally off this list and out of this community. Rick
and the moderators should have stopped that before the end.
I would hope we could all be kinder with one another in process.
Jai Guru Dev,
-Buck in the Dome
Om, Dear MJ; under a theory that ethics is a leading economic
indicator of organizational life, could your vitriolic level as to TM,
the Maharishi and the meditation he promulgated and some of TM's past
leadership be malleable if the new TM movement has changed its ethical
code and behavior? Or, are you locked in to your feelings and opinion?
Just wondering. I am seeing quite a lot of change [movement] in the
new TM movement. Does that kind of healthy change dismay your position?