salyavin, for good emotional health, I think some people definitely need to do 
more than practice TM. That's one of the misunderstanding that the current 
mental health group is hoping to correct.

      From: salyavin808 <>
 Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 11:56 AM
 Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Mental Health, Hating, Turq, and Belief 
in God is a form of mental illness

---In, <sharelong60@...> wrote :

Salyavin, the definition of stress that I use: any structural or chemical 
imbalance in the physiology. Though science can't show us yet, I'd speculate 
that all personality traits and negative attitudes like arrogance, have a 
corresponding brain state. 
I'm sure everything that happens mentally is a brain state but that doesn't 
mean it's caused by the brain state or that meditation can change it. Or did I 
miss something? I've met many arrogant or otherways dysfunctional people who've 
been doing TM for decades. I think they'll be doing it for lifetimes if they 
think it will change their personality type.

     On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 1:37 PM, salyavin808 
<> wrote:


---In, <sharelong60@...> wrote :

Salyavin, at a certain point I simply realized that the TMO is an imperfect 
organization full of imperfect people in an imperfect world. I also think that 
arrogance, etc. is one of the deepest stresses that a person can have and 
unstress. I don't like it, but that's how I understand it. 

Is arrogance a "stress"? It seems like an unrealistic belief of self-importance 
people grow up with, probably picked up from parents or schooling. I can't see 
how it can get into being your mode of operation by stressful means.
And as a consequence I would say it's even less likely to get removed by stress 
reduction techniques. There's a lot of this erroneous thinking in the TMO and I 
think it's one of the major failings of Marshy's teaching that they can't 
accept that TM isn't always the answer, not everything bad or un-useful about 
the personality comes from stress and can therefore be removed by relieving 
Which is probably one of the things you'll all have to accept in your new-look 
TMO. It's all for the best. 

     On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 12:20 PM, salyavin808 
<> wrote:


---In, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

The FairfieldMental Health Alliance October5th Meeting Notes

Youasked: What did you think about (the Oct 5 meeting) last night?Lookthis has 
been about creating change and that meeting was a timelyshowing of some 
progress of change. The meeting was not theconclusive meeting but it does show 
the movement has changed some andall the people on stage help show the 
integration this is taking.  Onthe left hand of the stage as the audience 
viewed it were all thesedifferent practicing clinical professionals who also 
have integratedalternative modalities in to their practices as they are useful 
andhave basis, and then Pat on the right side clarifying and holding upthe 
movement's franchise. Pat did quite a deft job clarifying onbehalf of the 
movement and Maharishi. Afterall, it was a movementcommunity meeting. Pat is 
really quite controlled smart, homey,funny, and theatrical all at once.  I 
enjoyed watching him. It was really quite brilliant.  
This is the second meeting wherehe has spoken for our collective practical 
concern as to compassionand our working to help people solve mental health 
issues beingessentially compassionate.. [very buddhistic? ] Itwill be very 
interesting to hear when that language of compassiongets picked up, adopted and 
used by spokespersons up the chain of TMcommand. That actually is extremely 
interesting that he is changingthe inside by leading with that idea. It has 
always been said that TMis without heart, well then if it is not a trick then 
we see thismovement of the movement from the upper level around this 
wholemental health thing is showing some heart, even though it took boxingthem 
in to a corner to help them show it. This is quite a change.  Funny how it 
hasn't always been there though isn't it? Most spiritual groups take the 
development of compassion as a given, how can you have personal growth without 
it? But you are correct, there is precious little of it in the TMO. Far more 
arrogance, elitism and an almost scary lack of self awareness. Not everyone of 
course but enough of the teachers to put me off for life.
These are the overriding impressions I left the movement with.  It was them 
that undermined the ideal I thought they stood for. How can they change without 
abandoning the idea that TM is all you need to do? If compassion isn;t there 
then pretending it is is just mood making surely? You see what I'm getting at, 
it's a central tenet that you just meditate and act naturally. Maybe you guys 
are the reformation that changes all that.
Questionof course now is the carry-through. There is more work to do tofigure 
out the practical delivery of policy. The clinic, type ofcredentialed staffing, 
and how they are going to administrate thosetrip-wire questions on their forms. 
That MUM student who spoke in the Q and A was veryeffective at holding their 
feet to the fire once again in public. They got to come up with more compassion 
to show on that one forpeople to believe them.  Itis about showing change on 
their part.  Compassion?  Theiradministrative banishing of Tom Allen was not 
the timely example ofany change there. Opps. An long-time old meditator and yes 
withcriticisms of the organization which they were soliciting to hear,but an 
apostate?  No, not then.  Hurt now? yes.  Notgreat timing for the handling of 
one of the poster persons of Fairfield Cares.   
It always baffled me that so many people are banished from the movement, 
shouldn't it all be hunky dory and brotherly love? My question to a 
particularly arrogant TM teacher who boasted about how many people he'd had 
kicked out (completely unreasonably I might add) was: Where are you going to 
send people in the age of enlightenment? Is there some sort of island 
unaffected by coherence waves they can all sit and regret not conforming to 
Marshy's ideals? 
Maybe what you've started is a way for the TMO to look at itself and the effect 
TM has on people, and how the power structure fails to produce the sort of 
results you'd expect from a supposedly higher teaching. Maybe you'll end up 
with a realistic appraisal of benefits to offer people so they don't get all 
excited and carried away about the hyperbole and consequently get so fed up a 
few years later. 
Criticism can only be a good thing here, it seems to me there are a lot of 
sacred cows to be led off to the slaughterhouse but if they aren't real and 
serve only to a) make money, and b) lead people into thinking there is more to 
TM than you've got a reasonable right to claim, then it's a good thing because 
you won't be too embarrassed to mention it any more. No more hiding yagya's and 
raja's from Oprah when she comes round. But yes, TM will be just another 
moderately effective meditation technique in the market place. Is that so bad?
 Incrementallythe meeting was an important meeting strategically. It will 
beanother step when they have the confidence to post the policy topoint to on 
their webpage.
-Buckin the Dome


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