How in the name of God or anything else can you possibly know what Marshy's 
family was or was like? You are making up crap that fits your fantasy. As is 
Nappy who is by far one of the most if not the most pitiful denizens of FFL.

 From: "Share Long [FairfieldLife]" 
To: "" <> 
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Mental Health, Hating, Turq, and Belief in 
God is a form of mental illness

Nablusoss, all those good habits can definitely help, but if a person has 
experienced severe trauma in childhood, more than good habits will be needed, 
even if they're regular with TMSP. Because Maharishi came from a traditional 
and stable Indian family, he probably wasn't aware of ow dysfunctional families 
can be in less traditional countries.

 From: nablusoss1008 <>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Mental Health, Hating, Turq, and Belief in 
God is a form of mental illness


---In, <sharelong60@...> wrote :

salyavin, for good emotional health, I think some people definitely need to do 
more than practice TM. That's one of the misunderstanding that the current 
mental health group is hoping to correct.

Or more importantly; lead a regular life, early to bed, regular programme at 
set times and prefferably having a checking from time to time. Those few I've 
run into that developed developed problems all had two things in common; they 
had mental problems already in childhood AND they meditated more that they were 
told. Everyone should do what Maharishi asked them to do, not adding anything.

From: salyavin808 <>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 11:56 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: FFL Mental Health, Hating, Turq, and Belief in 
God is a form of mental illness


---In, <sharelong60@...> wrote :

Salyavin, the definition of stress that I use: any structural or chemical 
imbalance in the physiology. Though science can't show us yet, I'd speculate 
that all personality traits and negative attitudes like arrogance, have a 
corresponding brain state. 

I'm sure everything that happens mentally is a brain state but that doesn't 
mean it's caused by the brain state or that meditation can change it. Or did I 
miss something? I've met many arrogant or otherways dysfunctional people who've 
been doing TM for decades. I think they'll be doing it for lifetimes if they 
think it will change their personality type.

On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 1:37 PM, salyavin808 <> 


---In, <sharelong60@...> wrote :

Salyavin, at a certain point I simply realized that the TMO is an imperfect 
organization full of imperfect people in an imperfect world. I also think that 
arrogance, etc. is one of the deepest stresses that a person can have and 
unstress. I don't like it, but that's how I understand it. 

Is arrogance a "stress"? It seems like an unrealistic belief of self-importance 
people grow up with, probably picked up from parents or schooling. I can't see 
how it can get into being your mode of operation by stressful means.

And as a consequence I would say it's even less likely to get removed by stress 
reduction techniques. There's a lot of this erroneous thinking in the TMO and I 
think it's one of the major failings of Marshy's teaching that they can't 
accept that TM isn't always the answer, not everything bad or un-useful about 
the personality comes from stress and can therefore be removed by relieving 

Which is probably one of the things you'll all have to accept in your new-look 
TMO. It's all for the best.

On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 12:20 PM, salyavin808 <> 


---In, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote :

The Fairfield
Mental Health Alliance  
5th Meeting Notes  


asked: What did you think about (the Oct 5 meeting) last night?
this has been about creating change and that meeting was a timely
showing of some progress of change. The meeting was not the
conclusive meeting but it does show the movement has changed some and
all the people on stage help show the integration this is taking. 
the left hand of the stage as the audience viewed it were all these
different practicing clinical professionals who also have integrated
alternative modalities in to their practices as they are useful and
have basis, and then Pat on the right side clarifying and holding up
the movement's franchise. Pat did quite a deft job clarifying on
behalf of the movement and Maharishi. Afterall, it was a movement
community meeting. Pat is really quite controlled smart, homey,
funny, and theatrical all at once.  I enjoyed watching him. 
It was really quite brilliant.  

This is the second meeting where
he has spoken for our collective practical concern as to compassion
and our working to help people solve mental health issues being
essentially compassionate.. [very buddhistic? ]
will be very interesting to hear when that language of compassion
gets picked up, adopted and used by spokespersons up the chain of TM
command. That actually is extremely interesting that he is changing
the inside by leading with that idea. It has always been said that TM
is without heart, well then if it is not a trick then we see this
movement of the movement from the upper level around this whole
mental health thing is showing some heart, even though it took boxing
them in to a corner to help them show it. This is quite a change. 
Funny how it hasn't always been there though isn't it? Most spiritual groups 
take the development of compassion as a given, how can you have personal growth 
without it? But you are correct, there is precious little of it in the TMO. Far 
more arrogance, elitism and an almost scary lack of self awareness. Not 
everyone of course but enough of the teachers to put me off for life.

These are the overriding impressions I left the movement with.  It was them 
that undermined the ideal I thought they stood for. How can they change without 
abandoning the idea that TM is all you need to do? If compassion isn;t there 
then pretending it is is just mood making surely? You see what I'm getting at, 
it's a central tenet that you just meditate and act naturally. Maybe you guys 
are the reformation that changes all that.

of course now is the carry-through. There is more work to do to
figure out the practical delivery of policy. The clinic, type of
credentialed staffing, and how they are going to administrate those
trip-wire questions on their forms. That MUM student who spoke in the Q and A 
was very
effective at holding their feet to the fire once again in public. 
They got to come up with more compassion to show on that one for
people to believe them.  
is about showing change on their part.  Compassion?  Their
administrative banishing of Tom Allen was not the timely example of
any change there. Opps. An long-time old meditator and yes with
criticisms of the organization which they were soliciting to hear,
but an apostate?  No, not then.  Hurt now? yes.  Not
great timing for the handling of one of the poster persons of
 Fairfield Cares.   

It always baffled me that so many people are banished from the movement, 
shouldn't it all be hunky dory and brotherly love? My question to a 
particularly arrogant TM teacher who boasted about how many people he'd had 
kicked out (completely unreasonably I might add) was: Where are you going to 
send people in the age of enlightenment? Is there some sort of island 
unaffected by coherence waves they can all sit and regret not conforming to 
Marshy's ideals? 

Maybe what you've started is a way for the TMO to look at itself and the effect 
TM has on people, and how the power structure fails to produce the sort of 
results you'd expect from a supposedly higher teaching. Maybe you'll end up 
with a realistic appraisal of benefits to offer people so they don't get all 
excited and carried away about the hyperbole and consequently get so fed up a 
few years later. 

Criticism can only be a good thing here, it seems to me there are a lot of 
sacred cows to be led off to the slaughterhouse but if they aren't real and 
serve only to a) make money, and b) lead people into thinking there is more to 
TM than you've got a reasonable right to claim, then it's a good thing because 
you won't be too embarrassed to mention it any more. No more hiding yagya's and 
raja's from Oprah when she comes round. But yes, TM will be just another 
moderately effective meditation technique in the market place. Is that so bad?

the meeting was an important meeting strategically. It will be
another step when they have the confidence to post the policy to
point to on their webpage.

in the Dome

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